Council house entitlement!!!

moggylover

thevogon wrote: »

Not with my tax money, thanks. They should totally abolish council housing. Other countries manage fine without it. Get a job and earn rent for the property you desire. Start with a tent and move upwards if necessary. 1 Million Poles working over here shows that there is NO excuse for not working.

I dont see why my tax money should support a terminally lazy bunch of !!!!!!. If you claim to be jobless and are under retirement age (68), they should make you do public service work - e.g. sweeping streets - in exchange for your rent / income support.

Single mums should be provided with compulsory free child day care while claiming so they to have to go out and earn their keep as above; so they cant sit on their rear all day watching Sky TV at the expense of those of us that work. I bet many would think twice about unsupported breeding if it meant they still had to graft to pay the bills.

The same applies for disability benefit - it should be totally abolished - and replaced with grants only for specific equipment needs, or payments made directly to carers like they do with child care. So many OAPs and even young people these days pretending they cant walk to the doctor and then jetting off on their skiing holiday at our expense. I dont see why someone disabled should automatically get more to live off than a normal scrounger or OAP (other than the two exceptions above). It's not our fault if you are sandwich short of a picnic.

I bet you bunch of work shy scrounging lowlife labour voters would soon get a real job once your meal ticket for life disappeared.

That is of course excluding those of you that already have a job but claim anyway. At least you work and have some input to the economy as well as defrauding the state.

:money:

You know - when I read posts like this it REALLY makes me begrudge the money I put into the pot during the 70's, 80's, and 90's that probably went to pay for the education of rubbish like this! :mad:

How can a supposedly educated nation produce such ill-informed, ranting fools?

Prudent

Thank you to single sue for a very brave post. I am a special needs teacher and know it would be just impossible for some of the single parents to work. I am also a single parent , with a child with mild additional needs, and retrospectively it has been the wrong decision for both my child and myself for me to work full time because there is such a pressure and expectation to do so.

I guess the vogon would appprove of me...I have bought my own house which I now own outright, I am now looking at house two (outright) to reduce my commute. Has it all been the best decision? I think probably not.. my child and I would have benefitted both from me having more time and being less stressed

I vividly remember buying car insurance years ago before I did all such things on line. I turned up dripping from a down pour, child in tow. The broker looked down his nose when I gave my status as a single parent and was very patronising. When we got to the occupation bit and I said full time teacher, his attitude changed totally. Why? I am still the same person.

ItWasNissy

Soubrette wrote: »

I think it is a shame that the step son feels like a visitor in his own (albeit part time) home though

Sou

I agree, but I also have an 18 year old girl friend who has ALWAYS slept on her own sofa, and not even part-time because she is in a 3bed council house- her parents have a room, her 2 older brothers who shud be out on their own have their own rooms and she has the sofa. Surprising she is moving out with her boyfriend very soon lol.

snails's_pace

thevogon wrote: »

No they are 2 seperate problems. Not everyone who has a council house is on HB. Some are just getting housing that is subsidised by other tax payers and have no entitlement to benefits. So at least they are working or have their own money, but they are still getting cheap housing paid for by the tax payer.


i think you'll find developers contributions are also a major player in subsidising la housing

in_debt_again_but_dealing_with_it

in_debt_again_but_dealing_with_it wrote: »

I'm saddened reading this thread. I thought we were human and compasionate, I really will have to remove the rose tinted glasses. Perhaps those of us who are unable to buy our own home (anyone with a salary below £30,000 by todays housing market) should simply curl up and die. Shamefully I rent, I was born in a council house, my parents worked all their lives, my dh and I have worked all our lives, despite dh having a heart attack at 39 and a heart condition -WE STILL WORK, we pay tax and N.I!!! We are not scroungers nor are we the scurge of society. We simply CAN'T AFFORD to buy our own home. WE PAY RENT our accomodation is not free! The private rent rates are set by who ??? ESTATE AGENTS! The very people who are largely responsible for the unnatural rise in house prices over the last 8 years - who is making money here? Not difficult to see is it!

My earlier point remains - I would like to point out that the rent paid to council/housing associations is a fair and reasonable rent (in my area a 3 bed council house averages at £90 p/w + tennants do pay council tax, water rates and obviously utilities) (not pigeon feed as some on here with no experience of social housing may believe) the organisations letting these homes are "non profit making" - nobody is making money on the tennants backs but the tennant is paying their way and will be till they die!

Neillgb

Well what happened to someone I knew might amuse a few of the posters on this thread.

He is a chancer, worst sort of bankrupt. Went bankrupt at Banks expense and said "that's business". Shafted a lot of other people as well. Gambled money away actually, holidays etc. Got as much money as possible and went bankrupt.

He and his other half decided to have another kid in order to get nice large council house in a nice area. Council, and I am not a great fan of local government, really excelled themselves. They turned up one day with a couple of workmen and turned the 2 bedrooms(reasonable size) into 3 with a plywood wall. Third bedroom may as well of been a cupboard. They then put the rent up. Not that it bothered the tenants of course as they were on Housing benefit. Awww.........hard cheese.

silverchair

I think the problem is that there are 2 tiers of renters. Those that rent from the council & those that rent privately. Those that rent from the council pay very little whereas those that rent from a private landlord often pay an incredible amount of money. For example a friend rents a flat within a victorian conversion for 900pounds from the private landlord, the council tenant pays 400pound, for the same type of flat within the same conversion.
Ive got no answers though.

A bit off topic but what I dislike is certain estates or areas being classed as deprived inner city London. It really removes the responsibilty for certain people's actions because they come from a so called deprived area. I was looking around one so called area & theres loads of facilities massive library, really cheap cinema, gym, loads of shops, summer play schemes.

In other countries an estate with loads of blocks of flats isnt automatically a sink estate. Its a nice place to live. Why is there so many not so nice Estates in this country?

poppysarah

You could argue if private rents were fixed at similar levels to council housing then the huge rise in house prices wouldn't have happened - there'd be no incentive to be a landlord if you didn't get a decent return on your money..

SingleSue

Neillgb wrote: »

Well what happened to someone I knew might amuse a few of the posters on this thread.

He is a chancer, worst sort of bankrupt. Went bankrupt at Banks expense and said "that's business". Shafted a lot of other people as well. Gambled money away actually, holidays etc. Got as much money as possible and went bankrupt.

He and his other half decided to have another kid in order to get nice large council house in a nice area. Council, and I am not a great fan of local government, really excelled themselves. They turned up one day with a couple of workmen and turned the 2 bedrooms(reasonable size) into 3 with a plywood wall. Third bedroom may as well of been a cupboard. They then put the rent up. Not that it bothered the tenants of course as they were on Housing benefit. Awww.........hard cheese.

Hehe.....

I had almost the opposite, due to the childrens disabilities it was decided by the powers that be, that I needed a four bedroom house. I disagreed (because I thought there would be families with more than 3 children who would really need to have a larger house) and so they offered to put a dividing wall up in the largest bedroom to make it a 4 bed....in the end I decided it would make things even more stressy at bedtimes and with a bit of a rejig we could sort things out so we stayed the same.

Rejig now done and things are loads better...although it took a few years of stressful living to get there!

Yes it may possibly have improved my eldest son's life in the short term but in the long term, it really wasn't neccessary.

As an aside, talking to my parents today and remember these are people who have worked their entire lives and own their own home (mortgage free), about my returning to work once the children and their needs are not so great (hey I do postive thinking! :rotfl: ) and they expressed surprise that I would be wanting to go back to work full time. When I asked them why they replied "Well you would have to pay full rent and council tax and you would really need to work full time (my mum is old fashioned, mum's stay at home to look after the kids and dad is a chauvinist) to pay it all and then you would only be worse off"

I must admit I was completely shocked as that goes against everything they have brought me up to believe and the work ethic they installed in me from the word go (and the same work ethic I am trying to get over to my children), so I told them I didn't work so hard at school to gain qualifications and be working hard now to bring those qualifications up to date (as and when it can be fitted in between caring duties and appointments) to sit on my bottom having my brain turn to sludge!

Parents eh? Who would have them! :rotfl:

johnwayne

]i.e. the tax payer is subsidising you living in a nice area that is beyond your means.

Why the hell should I move out of the village I have lived in all my life just so some rich people can have a 2nd home!?!:mad:
The tax payer does not subsidise council houses they just make no profits as opposed to private landlords!

Why should he receive any more money than a standard unemployed person? If anything if he is bed ridden he needs less money.

As I said - with the exception of specialist care requirements (that should be paid directly to the licenced carer) and specialist equipment requirements - e.g. a wheelchair - I dont see why there should be such a benefit as disability allowance.

He costs a lot more as he has to pay for his carers! Because they saved all of their lives towards their retirement they have to pay for most of it. Attendance Allowance pays towards it but nowhere near the cost of the actual care. I help all I can to give my nan a rest (she is his main carer) but between us we still need the carers.

Pretty much everywhere gives discounts to the disabled, they get free parking, etc. so if anything they need less money to live.[/quote]
:T :T
Seriously though he is bed-ridden!?? So where on earth does he benefit from disabled discounts & free parking.....Oh yeah I bet it was when he was driving about in his bed to all those discounted places !!!! DOH!