What does this taxation achieve?

pinkfluffybabe

I'm more concerned about the money put by to 'investigate road pricing'.

Until there is a reasonably priced, safe, reliable alternative to using the car, people will simply absorb these costs, making them worse off, and pricing the very poorest off the roads.

The government don't want us all to stop buying fuel, because of the income they get from it, they are sending mixed messages.

thescouselander

Wig wrote: »

How can the net cost to you be nothing? If you are keeping the gas guzzler your annual VED has risen, so you are choosing to increase your annual VED.

The purpose of the tax rises is obvious, encourage people to ditch guzzlers in favour of cheaper cars. If I were you I'd be keeping the economic car and ditch the guzzler, you'd be saving money.

No, the purpose of the tax is to extract more money out of your pocket - this is not just aimed at gas guzzlers. I have the new bands in front of me now, here's a few examples:

1.6 Citroen C3, 1.6 Ford Fiesta, 1.6 Vauxhall Zafira (and other cars in the same band) will be clobbered with a £40 increase - New band I - 171 to 180 g/km CO2

A 1.6 Pug 308 would be clobbered with a £60 increase as would a 1.8 VW passat estate and other cars in this band. - New band J 181-200 g/km CO2

None of these could be classed as gas guzzlers but the tax is going up quite a lot.

dementedhousewife

Soon we wont have cars... It will be rich people with all the cars.. and us working class with be stuck with smelly buses

Wig

dementedhousewife wrote: »

When these people ditch their cars.. who is going to buy them?
no one because the tax is so high,, then these people have to go out buy a new car,, and stuck with the old one... how is that saving money?

They will have a value, just a reduced one. If people have been stoopid enough to buy a high tax band car in the last few years (thus they still have a relatively high value) then more fool them for not buying a lower band car in the first place. If their car is 5 or 6 years old chances are it wasn't worth very much anyway.

The VED rates are here to stay, and could possibly increase further over the coming years. People have to calculate whether by selling their car and buying a replacement will save them money over the life of the car they currently own (the guzzler). That is to say, they may decide that the loss in value of the guzzler is less than the extra cost to keep the guzzler over the next few years.

The point is the people faced with the situation as it is, can choose the best course of action which will save them the most money. <<< THAT is how it saves them money.

Wig

thescouselander wrote: »

No, the purpose of the tax is to extract more money out of your pocket - this is not just aimed at gas guzzlers. I have the new bands in front of me now, here's a few examples:

1.6 Citroen C3, 1.6 Ford Fiesta, 1.6 Vauxhall Zafira (and other cars in the same band) will be clobbered with a £40 increase - New band I - 171 to 180 g/km CO2

A 1.6 Pug 308 would be clobbered with a £60 increase as would a 1.8 VW passat estate and other cars in this band. - New band J 181-200 g/km CO2

None of these could be classed as gas guzzlers but the tax is going up quite a lot.

I disagree. The obvious effect will be to make people think harder about how economical their next car is to be. It is a sliding scale, the worst offending cars are being hit harder, as you would expect. I happen to think those examples of CO2 emmissions are unnacceptable and if you want them you should have to pay for it. The overall cost as a percentage of annual running cost is still minimal, I would have wanted the budget to have been a lot tougher than it was.

You do realise that a Honda Civic is a band B, that's a big roomy car, no-one can argue that they need to have a Mondeo or Zafira or Pug 307/308 etc when the technology exists to make a car the size of a Civic fit into band 'B'.

thescouselander

Wig wrote: »

I disagree. The obvious effect will be to make people think harder about how economical their next car is to be. It is a sliding scale, the worst offending cars are being hit harder, as you would expect. I happen to think those examples of CO2 emmissions are unnacceptable and if you want them you should have to pay for it. The overall cost as a percentage of annual running cost is still minimal, I would have wanted the budget to have been a lot tougher than it was.

You do realise that a Honda Civic is a band B, that's a big roomy car, no-one can argue that they need to have a Mondeo or Zafira or Pug 307/308 etc when the technology exists to make a car the size of a Civic fit into band 'B'.

I'm not sure you could describe a Civic as roomy. For example, I cant imagine a family of five cramming in there with their suitcases to go on holiday. Even if they could the car would be quite underpowered for that much load (by modern standards at least). I guess they would have to fly instead.

Something like a Modeo or Mondeo Estate has a lot more room than a civic - there is no comparison. I'm sure many people could manage fine with a small car but equally there as a significant proportion of the population who have legitimate cause to buy a slightly bigger car.

dementedhousewife

I have 6mth old twins.. How the hell would i get them into a Civic..
Plus if a van or lorry would hit me.... we wouldnt have a chance in hell of surviving...
I think safety plays a big part on the car you drive..
Safety for my kids comes before enviroment.....

cajef

Wig wrote: »

You do realise that a Honda Civic is a band B,

That is news to me, my 4 year old Civic 1.6 Vtec is 172g/km which at the moment is Band E and will change to Band I.

The lowest VED for the new Civic is the diesel at 135g/km which is Band C and the petrol at 152g/km which is Band D, which will become E and G respectively.

moonrakerz

dementedhousewife wrote: »

Soon we wont have cars... It will be rich people with all the cars.. and us working class with be stuck with smelly buses

Become a politician ! Then YOU too will be able to say "do as I say, not as I do !"

Wig

dementedhousewife wrote: »

I have 6mth old twins.. How the hell would i get them into a Civic..
Plus if a van or lorry would hit me.... we wouldnt have a chance in hell of surviving...
I think safety plays a big part on the car you drive..
Safety for my kids comes before enviroment.....

Have you even been in a Civic? I have and there's loads of room, not only that someone I know has one and coincidently has 6 month old twins!

Regarding the earlier reflection on the room in a Mondeo Vs a Civic, I think that's a fair point, I was trying to give a comparison with like for like, e.g zafira, C3 308 etc although I think a civic is more roomy than any of these. I shouldn't have said Mondeo, perhaps I was thinking that if they can make a Civic band 'B' they can make a car the size of a Mondeo fit into band 'C'.

Plus I don't think that "power/underpowered" should be the way we view cars anymore, as long as the car is capable of doing 60 - 70 mph I don't see it is a problem.