What does this taxation achieve?

talksalot81

--Tony-- wrote: »

YES I am & NO I'm not!

Millage is totally irrelevant, in your example your car causes twice the damage as mine, over their lifetime they will probably do the same miles before they die but when that time comes your has done twice the damage.

They have not increased tax on the worst vehicles vehicles nearly enough yet and I hope lots more increases are on the way.

So mileage is totally irrelevant because they will do the same mileage over their lifetime...

Point of analysis for you.... your arguement cannot revolve around a variable you consider irrelevant.

The reality is that the two cases I gave above are equally polluting. I am afraid it is scientific drivel to suggest otherwise. Yes the more polluting car has more POTENTIAL to do damage, but we are not talking about potential, we are talking about ACTUAL. So unless you propose we do everything based on what MIGHT happen (you liked the idea of minority report minus the telepaths?), you view is deeply flawed.

talksalot81

--Tony-- wrote: »

Trust me I have forgotten more than you will ever know on carbon dioxide an monoxide so will pass on your kind offer.

May I respectfully suggest you do not play that card because you dont know who else you are talking to.

--Tony--

talksalot81 wrote: »

May I respectfully suggest you do not play that card because you dont know who else you are talking to.

And neither do thee,I think that has become all too obvious.

Anyone with the slightest intelligence would see the CO2/km relationship with lifetime potential of a vehicle is the key figure here, its unfortunate that some individuals are so narrowminded.

talksalot wrote:

Yes the more polluting car has more POTENTIAL to do damage

Finally he starts to see it....................................

meester

--Tony-- wrote: »

:rolleyes: errr no!

As you well know you have simply falled foul of a something that was not really meant to hit classic car drivers (just bad luck), shame you car is not 4 years or more older, (like my 58 austin Healey) if it was you would pay zero road tax like me

That's because New Labour scum froze the classic car exemption when they came to power..... Used to be 25-years.

--Tony--

meester wrote: »

That's because New Labour scum froze the classic car exemption when they came to power..... Used to be 25-years.

Agreed, its out of order they have not maintained the 25 year rule for classic cars.

IWasWondering...

I go with an increase in the cost of fuel and scrap VED.
The more you use, the more you pay.
Simple and fair IMHO.

No more car tax evaders.
No need to issue VEDs, send out reminders.
Athough I suppose the savings here will be offset by MPs new kitchens.

talksalot81

--Tony-- wrote: »

And neither do thee,I think that has become all too obvious.

Anyone with the slightest intelligence would see the CO2/km relationship with lifetime potential of a vehicle is the key figure here, its unfortunate that some individuals are so narrowminded.



Finally he starts to see it....................................

Whether intended or not, you are an incredibly insulting person.

I see where you are coming from but your logic is flawed. Ultimately you are saying that the damage you actually do is irrelevant, the only thing you care about is the potential. Unfortunately, nature does not know anything about the potential for CO2 production, it can respond only to the actual amount produced.

LandyAndy

IWasWondering... wrote: »

I go with an increase in the cost of fuel and scrap VED.
The more you use, the more you pay.
Simple and fair IMHO.

No more car tax evaders.
No need to issue VEDs, send out reminders.
Athough I suppose the savings here will be offset by MPs new kitchens.

Far too simple and obvious for a politician.:rolleyes:

banger9365

green tax my *** it a way of hitting the normal working person again,cannot us fags,and beer any more so they go after the car owner the only thing they have left ,petrol,cars and road pricing (coming to a road near you)we all us them and the working person is hit hard again,public transport is a joke we all now that
it's just money they want not make us greener it will cost them too much money if we all went green

teabelly

All this will do is to encourage VED evasion. It doesn't bother me as I have pre 2001 cars as it was obvious from the beginning that the tax was going to be hiked and made retrospective. I am surprised they didn't do it last year. Once 10% of the car owning population says get stuffed then VED is dead in the water. It will also make them realise even more people are against road pricing so they have no chance of imposing it.

VED should be removed for cars and light vans. All the tax should go on fuel. It should be the same rate for buses, trains and air lines so there is a level playing field for all transport choices. Then we'll see which is the most efficient method of transport as it will be the cheapest.

HGVs need heavy duty road tax as they do the majority of the damage to the roads. Foreign trucks should be made to pay large tolls on entry to the UK to make sure they also pay for damage they cause.