Wibo night storage heaters

kong34

Hi all

Can I just say I wouldn't install a storage heater when they are a similar price to the electric radiators I have looked at. There time consuming to install when compared with an electric raidator, very heavy a pain in the bum to carry out maintanance on because they stay hot for so long. I believe reasons for the electric radiator being more efficent is to do with the installed thermostate and programmers on them, more control ability. But then again you would be wasting your money if your house is as drafty as a cave because they would be constantly on with heat radiating from the house like nuclear fallout.
Also people seem to think they live in the tropics when you go into there houses with the heating set at over 22 celcius so there never going to save money no matter what heating system they put in if they like it hot unless the house was like a cocoon with no gaps or drafts.

thedentist

Cardew wrote: »

It always seems to be first time posters joining MSE to praise these overpriced heaters.;)

Nobody doubts that they might work well. However as said countless times, a ten pound heater will produce exactly the same amount of heat, for the same running cost, as these WIBO heaters costing many hundreds of pounds.

Hi Cardew, i seem to think you have not quite grasped the Wibo heating system. You have indeed said countless times the above comment, not sure why, do you work for a competitor?
if you turn on a £10 heater for an hour you will pay for an hours worth of electric. If you turn on a Wibo heater for an hour it will only use approx 17 mins of electric but you still get the same heat output for the hour. i.e not the same running costs. It uses heat retaining tiles inside to store & release heat & then turns itself on again when needs to.
Your ten pound heater cant store heat so needs to be on all the time, hence running costs are higher.
I really cant understand why you are so set against a good product that works well & is economical to run. Yes they are expensive but the money im saving on running costs will be redeemed eventually & we are keeping warm in the mean time.
Hopefully you can understand how they work now.

Cardew

thedentist wrote: »

Hi Cardew, i seem to think you have not quite grasped the Wibo heating system. You have indeed said countless times the above comment, not sure why, do you work for a competitor?
if you turn on a £10 heater for an hour you will pay for an hours worth of electric. If you turn on a Wibo heater for an hour it will only use approx 17 mins of electric but you still get the same heat output for the hour. i.e not the same running costs. It uses heat retaining tiles inside to store & release heat & then turns itself on again when needs to.
Your ten pound heater cant store heat so needs to be on all the time, hence running costs are higher.
I really cant understand why you are so set against a good product that works well & is economical to run. Yes they are expensive but the money im saving on running costs will be redeemed eventually & we are keeping warm in the mean time.
Hopefully you can understand how they work now.

If at first you don't succeed, return and make yourself look foolish. You surely cannot expect that post to be taken seriously!

What I stated in post #100 is absolutely a fact. i.e. Any electrical heater - including a £10 heater - produces EXACTLY the same amount of heat, for the same running cost, as your WIBO heaters.

If that were not the case, do you not think WIBO would take action against MSE?

I don't think there is much point in trying to explain to you why your post is nonsense!

Owain_Moneysaver

thedentist wrote: »

if you turn on a £10 heater for an hour you will pay for an hours worth of electric. If you turn on a Wibo heater for an hour it will only use approx 17 mins of electric but you still get the same heat output for the hour. i.e not the same running costs.

How can you have the same heat output and NOT have the same electric input? From where does this magical extra energy come?

Owain_Moneysaver

thedentist wrote: »

Hi Cardew, i seem to think you have not quite grasped the Wibo heating system. You have indeed said countless times the above comment, not sure why, do you work for a competitor?

Which competitor would that be? Argos or Poundstretcher? Where you can get heaters for a tenner (or maybe a bit more)

thedentist

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

Which competitor would that be? Argos or Poundstretcher? Where you can get heaters for a tenner (or maybe a bit more)

Im not sure, ask Cardew he talks about them alot.
going back to Wibo heaters, they store & release the heat produced when switched off, so dont need to be on all the time.
They have been going for 120 years so they must be doing something right.
Anyway if Cardew can post a price list of his heaters that would be helpfull because i will be looking for another heater for the dining room soon, Im happy with the running costs & performance of the Wibo but if he can reccommend an alternative ill be glad to look into it, I bought the Wibo on a reccommend & we are very happy with it. Against my cronky storage heater the Wibo has been a god send.

harryhound

Some people also believe in the tooth fairy

thelurch

Hi all, I would appreciate some advice.
My mother has received a leaflet from wibo and also from Fischer who both sell these heaters, low and behold both are the same company.
She has already got a salesman coming round at the end of the month much to my protests!
She has gas central heating through her 2 bed semi and a small radiator from this system is in her quite small conservatory. The door from house to conservatory is a sliding double glazed door which she generally keeps shut.
She wants to make more use of the conservatory next winter but says the radiator in there doesn't seem to heat it up well enough hence why she thinks wibo heater would be a good idea.

I have told her that it may be better just to get a larger radiator fitted but she thinks these wibo things would be better being seduced by the waffle on the leaflet.

I have told her what is likely to happen on the salesmans visit ie high pressure sales tactics, special price to buy on that day only etc.
She is a salesmans dream unfortunately and have told her to be firm that she is not committing to anything until she speaks to me.

she's been seduced by the economy 7 use at night but I just think, replace existing radiator with bigger one would do the trick?
Any advice would be useful as she certainly does not have 1000's to spend on a storage heater!

What do you think the best option would be?

I'm hoping to find a better solution before the wibo salesman comes round

Andy_WSM

thelurch wrote: »

she's been seduced by the economy 7 use at night but I just think, replace existing radiator with bigger one would do the trick?
Any advice would be useful as she certainly does not have 1000's to spend on a storage heater!

What do you think the best option would be?

I'm hoping to find a better solution before the wibo salesman comes round

Economy 7 & Gas Central heating don't generally go hand in hand. It's not usually financially viable to be on Eco 7 if you have gas central heating.

Why not looking at having the small radiator replaced with a hydronic fanned convector? These use the hot water from the central heating system and a small fan to blow the heat away from a coil making for a much larger output in the same space. I have exactly this in my conservatory and it works very well and is, of course, much cheaper to run than any electric heater.

thelurch

Well I am fuming with this company!
I spoke to my mother about what I had read on here about the likely price of one of their heaters, she was horrified having expected a max of about £100 a go!
I told her that what would likely happen is that a salesman would come round and give her a very hard sell, try to wear here down and not take no for an answer. Being in her late 70's she is of a generation that feels obliged to follow through with an appointment once made. Luckily I convinced her to cancel the appointment.

I was at her house this afternoon when lo and behold the wibo guy calls her, because she is hard of hearing she always puts the phone on speakerphone so I could hear everything.

The salesman or scum as I prefer to call him then proceeded to say that when did she want to re book the appointment! She said that she had called to cancel but he didn't listen, just tried to re book.

She must have said no about 15 times when he said he would still visit. In the end I took the phone and explained I had heard everything he had said and what part of no didn't he understand?

He tried to give me a load of waffle but I told him I had done my homework regarding wibo and the asa ruling, the astronomical pricing. He said how did I get the prices and I told him that there are various forums discussing the company.

He then started getting angry saying that I had interfered with my mothers business and should have kept my nose out!
I replied by saying that I warned her what would happen if she let pond life like him through the door, ie high pressure sales tactics etc and he had just proved that in the first 5 minutes when he wouldn't take no for an answer.

He realised that he wasn't going to get his sale and then turned really nasty, saying that I was obviously trying to stop my mother spending my legacy! He said he was going to be in mums area on the date they had originally booked. I am going to be at her house that day doing some odd jobs, I hope the scum turns up to try his luck as I will be waiting!

To anyone who is thinking of asking for a brochure for this company, DO NOT BOTHER THEY ARE A BUNCH OF SCUM WHO WILL PREY ON THE ELDERLY AND TALK THEM INTO SPENDING THOUSANDS MAYBE UNNESSARILY!