Work or be homeless!

SquatNow

I was not PROPOSING people be held in camps... far from it.

I was simply stateing what you would have to do is you WISHED to do it.

My solution is much simpler... abbolish income tax in favour of a land tax. Suddenly people would have an incentive to work as they'de actually get to keep the money, plus land tax would keep house prices down so that 1/2 a persons wage each month wasn't taken up by rent/mortgage.

Guy_Montag

Retired_I.F.A. wrote: »

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Makes me wonder how these "hardworking" illiterates who have been fortunate enough to never be unemployed for any substantial length of time ever got a job in the first place.


Or keep them for that matter, seeing as many have spouted their near nazi ideas duing normal working hours.

Just goes to show that once you have a job, it's not hard to keep it.

Having espoused near nazi ideas myself, perhaps it's better to take a more enlightened view. Since this is basically about fairness perhaps the fairest thing to do would be to give every citizen an income to spend how they see fit.

By cutting all state funding of arts, charities, business & science; introducing a flat tax system to simplify administration and removing benefits, tax credits etc. Then replace them all with a simple single payment to every citizen. This would be enough to live on so people have options of how to spend their lives.

For example: you could spend your day watching Trisha & Jez Kyle, on t'other hand you could go out & supplement your CI by working, or study. All are equal under the CI.

SquatNow

Haha! You are a Georgist and I claim my £5.

Zebedee69

MadMonkey wrote: »

Why don't you just come up with some kind of test that can ascertain which social class you are in and simply cull all those who are not middle class ?

Then you would be left with purely the hard working, affluent people in the country.

Good Idea:beer:

Guy_Montag

SquatNow wrote: »

Haha! You are a Georgist and I claim my £5.

Who me?

I was hoping the CI would be more than £5.;)

We could combine our proposals: a Citizen's Income based on a Land Value Tax (also a resource extraction tax & a pollution tax).

DGJsaver

SquatNow wrote: »

It could work but you'de need heavy controls... the US does something similar and has a MASSIVE black market in food stamps. Even if you make it so they can't be transfered people will simply buy food and sell it so they can buy cigs/beers/scratchcards.

It's been suggested in the UK but people say they have a right to do whatever they wish with their benefits money, and the liberals always say "well what if they need new shoes, or car repairs or nappies".

Of course more money given out on benefits is spent on cigs/booze/gambling than on food.

Probably the only solution is to provide serviced accomodation with a canteen.

Are you about 85 ?

SquatNow

Guy_Montag wrote: »

We could combine our proposals: a Citizen's Income based on a Land Value Tax (also a resource extraction tax & a pollution tax).

A Citizen's Income based on a Land Value Tax sounds like a great solution.

I'm amazed no-one has though of it before.

We should name it... how about Montagism?

DGJsaver wrote: »

Are you about 85 ?

No I'm 30... was a birthday a week ago.

But I agree, anyone in their late 80s or older may well remember the workhouses and soup kitchens... which is essentially what is being talked about here... a handful of people end up owning all the land, millions of empty houses, with everyone crammed into big sheds and sent out to work for the benefit of the landed elite.

mishmash

Well just read through this lot and feel really uncomfortable.

I must admit to holding some hostility towards a system that seems to support a minority of people in generational worklessness. I am from a working class family with a real work ethic, all family members worked. In the last recession i remeber many members of my family (my parents included) often being made redudnat taking on awful jobs for little pay.

WE lived in a council house as often working class folk did. The governments figures which point to increasing worklessness among tennants are also an indicator of the lack of social housing resulting in only the worst off or most vulnerable getting housing. 20 or 30 years ago lots of people like my parents had council homes-there was not the same stigma.

I became a single parent at a very young age I was vulnerable and scared, it was at that height of the governments back to basics campaign where we were villified. I often find it interesting how we berate the young mother who does her best to raise a child but not mention the father who has abandonded her. After being abandoned I lived with my parents then after nearly 2 years got a council house. I was working but could not afford to buy.

The thought of making me terminate otr give the children up for adoption is abhorrent. As it is estimated that children cost half a million maybe we should see peoples bank statments-allow them 1 child per every half mil in savings? What about people with pre desposed tendancy to illness-sterilise them?

I worked in social care for years and I was often annoyed that those on benefits had better t.v's leather sofa's and the like than I had. I want to see more encouragnment for people into work but I do not want to see children punished for their parents behaviour by being placed in the care system or made to wear uniforms. Maybe you could just stick a symbol to them a star maybe.

I am also a bit reluctant to take any proposal of not being allowed housing from ministers who claim housing costs at the taxpayers expense. I think the expenses and housing costs of some of the M.P's are much more worrying than us supporting a struggling single mother.

In short I am glad of the debate of how we can make an impact on generational worklessness, but I seem to remember that lots of fine young men from this country giving their lives to eradicate the views being perpertrated in this thread.

MIsh

fc123

SquatNow wrote: »

No I'm 30... .

Hmmmmmm :undecided

clutton_2

Squatter says """"the workhouses and soup kitchens... which is essentially what is being talked about here... a handful of people end up owning all the land, millions of empty houses, with everyone crammed into big sheds and sent out to work for the benefit of the landed elite. """


are you taking "substances ? or r u just plain bonkers !!!!!!