Work or be homeless!

affordmylife

Thats part of the problem with neglet of the children in some of these families getting substandard food so mum and dad can have their fags and beer. And as for new shoes well they are way down the list.

They could have vouchers for two pairs of shoes per child per year from a decent shop but then they would probably sell the shoes to get money for fags and beer.

There has to be a solution but i cant see one.

But I definitely think they benefit is set way way too high because they totally shouldnt be able to afford to smoke, drink, have sky, run a car etc.

Just my opinion.

By the way this does not apply to single people with a child under five, single people with a disabled child of any age or any disabled adult. But any other able bodied adult at least one per family should be working or working to receive their benefit. Not just given in for F**k all. Sorry but it really annoys me.

SquatNow

The solution would be for the state to buy a million pairs of shoes of various sizes, 50 million pairs of socks, 2 million pairs of trousers etc and allow people to collects x items of each per year.

The items would have negligable re-sale value as the market would be flooded with them. For kids close you could call it a "uniform"... it would be ideal for them to wear to "school" where they could "learn" how to add up and speak properly.

affordmylife

Yep that sounds good to me.

I have been a single parent and i would have fought tooth and nail to be able to dress my kids in clothes of my and their choice and would have got a job in order to do so. As I was working it was not something i would have to worry about.

But i suppose the lazy non working parents would not care as long as their kids had some clothes.

But yes Im up for that.

(is it communism?)

SquatNow

affordmylife wrote: »

Yep that sounds good to me.

I have been a single parent and i would have fought tooth and nail to be able to dress my kids in clothes of my and their choice and would have got a job in order to do so. As I was working it was not something i would have to worry about.

But i suppose the lazy non working parents would not care as long as their kids had some clothes.

But yes Im up for that.

(is it communism?)

No it's not communism because people can still choose to get a job and earn money which they can spend on whatever they want.

It would be very unpopular though. You'de have to pass a law allowing only people with jobs to vote first.

affordmylife

Best not open that can of worms then. I never bother to vote cos i think all the decisions are made long before we vote its just protocol.

Guy_Montag

Rather than food stamps for which a black market could exist, I advocate food boxes containing healthy food.

Spark

The MP who had the great idea of even thinking of throwing people in the street if they are unemployed is an evil ditch. Shouldn't she be busy trying to find ways to build more houses to accomodate the ever growing population, instead of throwing out the ones who are already there to free the accomodations for the ones on the waiting list? Where did she get the "up to one million people"? I want proof of that, they do have a tendency to "adjust" the numbers following their needs.....
I was unemployed once, and in my experience a majority of people are looking for work. Only a minority of people are very happy to stay on benefit, and it's people with enough kids to give them enough benefits to live without needing to work, and the ones who are working money in hand or finding other ways to get pocket money.
Other categories have great difficulties in finding a job : the ones who can't read and write, the ones who stopped working for too long and lost their confidence(and the confidence of any potential employer), the over 50's, the depressed, the dyslexic.........
When I was unemployed, if you didn't have a telephone (mainline), you had no chance to be selected for the shortlist.
Now, you need a main telephone, a mobile phone, an email address, and know how to use a computer (preferable).
I did some things while I was unemployed, some kind of voluntary work until I find a job, and had my CV done and we were told how to do interviews etc... Are they still doing that? It was voluntary then but why not assess every unemployed and force them to face their gremlins and weaknesses and help them in updating themselves for the changes that occurred while they were living on the verge of society? Maybe some full time courses in English and maths for the ones who can't read and write or spell, and community service for the rest, it will give them more self confidence to find a job if they already acquires the going to work pattern, or give them less time to find a job (paid money in hand) or other pocket money making business.......or would that be to useful a task to ever be considered......
If you are unemployed for a few years and have few kids, how can you afford to run a car, pay for the latest plasma screen and satellite TV, decorate your flat every three years and run a mobile phone contract? Maybe they should check on how some people can afford what they got. I'm working and I don't have what they got, but even then I wouldn't throw them out of their property, you wouldn't do that to a dog......but some woman with an hitlerian mentality wouldn't hesitate to do that to a human being.............
Why people are better off on benefit? Shouldn't someone look into it?
Shouldn't they be looking at the privately rented accomodations as well, capping down the rents to council accommodation rent level would be a good thing to look into.......plenty of things to do before throwing people out in the street like rubbish.....

If you are looking at how your taxes are subsidising useless scroungers, look at the other end, MPs "employing" all members of their family to do FA, useless quangoes all over the place, tax money squandered in useless money pits schemes....., I wonder what kind of scam Ms Flint has concocted to supplement her "meagre" salary.
The little hitlers are marching, first the unemployed council tenants, then the rest will follow........If they get away with it, it will be like victorian times in a few decades, and we are all sleepwalking towards it.......

I feel that they suggest a wild plan like that - Then know everyone will be up in arms about it, shouting and screaming and then the real plans turn up stating that it won't be so bad and people walk away thinking they have done a good job persuading the government, only to find out it was a ruse to get the 2nd plan in anyway.

Yep, you might be right.........

How about no actual dole money.

You get the rent, council tax, water rates etc automatically paid to the individual companies.

You get a basic food allowance of ??? per person in shopping vouchers. And no cash at all.

Excellent idea.

It could work but you'de need heavy controls... the US does something similar and has a MASSIVE black market in food stamps. Even if you make it so they can't be transfered people will simply buy food and sell it so they can buy cigs/beers/scratchcards.

Not our problem, up to them to police.

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Here we go.....

fc123

Generali wrote: »

It's an interesting idea but not true. The borrower '...must maintain the value of the secured asset' applies to all mortgages, not just BTL ones. It's in a normal OO mortgage that I took out from the Nationwide in 2002. It means that you have to keep the place properly maintained, not that you need to stump up more margin if the value of the place drops.

Maintaining the value of an asset isn't stumping up more cash. That would be something like maintaining the level of security proportionate to the outstanding balance of the loan.

I feel that BTL mortgages should have margin calls but they don't as far as I can tell in the majority of cases.

Merryn Somerset Webb (my new guru since A.Hilton is not worthy of my reading time ) wrote about margin calls in Money Week. Who knows what may happen?

Back to topic; benefits did my SIL no favours in the long run (but she could write a guide on housing scams) and, she openly admitted to me once, that all the time she had whilst kids were at school was too much spare time....she got into all sorts of scrapes with affairs, neighbours hubbies etc as she was bored. J Kyle is not enough to fill the day.

Oh and her buttt is shapeless...all that sitting down whilst mine is pert and petite from all the running around:D

Generali

fc123 wrote: »

Merryn Somerset Webb (my new guru since A.Hilton is not worthy of my reading time ) wrote about margin calls in Money Week. Who knows what may happen?

Back to topic; benefits did my SIL no favours in the long run (but she could write a guide on housing scams) and, she openly admitted to me once, that all the time she had whilst kids were at school was too much spare time....she got into all sorts of scrapes with affairs, neighbours hubbies etc as she was bored. J Kyle is not enough to fill the day.

Oh and her buttt is shapeless...all that sitting down whilst mine is pert and petite from all the running around:D

Margin calls do seem to exist on some BTL mortgages but only a few I think and none that I've managed to find.

If you want a nice bottom then try mountain biking. Gives you great thighs too.

Microstar_2

Spark wrote: »

When I was unemployed, if you didn't have a telephone (mainline), you had no chance to be selected for the shortlist.
Now, you need a main telephone, a mobile phone, an email address, and know how to use a computer (preferable).
.

Hmm...

How do all those Polish people manage to get jobs more or less as soon as they step off the bus then?

I read that 6 out of 10 council tenants of working age are unemployed. Time to go into some of these estates, round up all the lazy scum and put them into mass accommodation on old MoD sites. Put a pick in one hand, a shovel in the other and set them to work on a 10 hour shift (maybe we could re-open some of the old mines). It would also, at a stroke, get rid of half of the nation's obesity problem :T