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Ready to Defend! Southgate Park MET McDonalds

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  • doubledotcom...other members look like they've understood! Yes my wife is the defendant, they are suing my wife. No she wasn't driving. Sorry to cause confusion  :disappointed:
  • So, they are trying to sue your wife because she is the Keeper. However, whether she was driving or not, MET have no idea of the drivers identity and it should remain that way.

    Because of the location, they cannot rely on PoFA 2012 to transfer liability from the unidentified driver to the known Keeper. In other words, they are screwed but will persist all the way up to the point around a month before any hearing date (after allocation to your local county court) where they are required to pay the £27 trial fee and will issue an N279 Notice of Discontinuance, at which point it will be all over... unless you want to try and claim costs for their unreasonable behaviour.
  • Coupon-mad
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    lead with the fact that she (the keeper) was not the driver.
    Definitely. Be clear if she was the passenger.
    This is the important thing.

    You could adapt a Smart Parking defence that covers this 'no keeper liability' situation.

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  • Blobmeister
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    edited 12 December 2025 at 1:59PM
    So, it IS okay to mention she was the passenger AND she also observed the other defendable points of no definitive segregation between car parks, inadequate signage, shared car park name and no facility t pay?

    Has anyone successfully claimed costs for their unreasonable behaviour?

    I'll put my defence together early this week. Thanks guys.
  • Gr1pr
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    Leave most of the story for her Witness Statement next year 

    Adapt the Smart Parking template defence,  adding keeper and passenger,  but not the driver 
  • It's never going to need a WS as it is not going anywhere near a hearing. DCB Legal are going to discontinue just before the trail fee has to be paid.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 12 December 2025 at 6:45PM
    So, it IS okay to mention she was the passenger AND she also observed the other defendable points of no definitive segregation between car parks, inadequate signage, shared car park name and no facility t pay?

    Has anyone successfully claimed costs for their unreasonable behaviour?

    I'll put my defence together early this week. Thanks guys.
    There's no defence to spend much time on putting together. You could win even by using the Smart Parking Group thread wording and nothing else.

    Don't overthink it but do take 15 mins one day to add a single para of facts to the suggested Smart Parking version, obviously editing the word 'Smart' if it appears.
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  • Blobmeister
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    edited 19 December 2025 at 4:20PM
    Can I get some feedback on this draft of my defence. I'm worried I've gone over the top, added para's that don't need to be there and maybe omitted details I'd previously mentioned in this thread that might be important. Thank you.

    As the former keeper of vehicle registration **** ***, I dispute
    the claim from MET / DCBL based on the following:

    1. The Claimant’s sparse case lacks specificity and does not
    comply with CPR 16.4, 16PD3 or 16PD7, failing to 'state all facts
    necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of
    action'. The added costs/damages are an attempt at double recovery
    of capped legal fees (already listed in the claim) and are not
    monies genuinely owed to, or incurred by, this Claimant. The claim
    also exceeds the Code of Practice (CoP) £100 parking charge ('PC')
    maximum. Exaggerated claims for impermissible sums are good reason
    for the court to intervene. Whilst the Defendant reserves the
    right to amend the defence if details of the contract are
    provided, the court is invited to strike out the claim using its
    powers under CPR 3.4.

    2. The allegation(s) and heads of cost are vague and liability is
    denied for the sum claimed, or at all. At the very least, interest
    should be disallowed; the delay in bringing proceedings lies with
    the Claimant. This also makes retrieving material
    documents/evidence difficult, which is highly prejudicial. The
    Defendant seeks fixed costs (CPR 27.14) and a finding of
    unreasonable conduct and further costs (CPR 46.5). The Defendant
    believes the Notice To Keeper was not compliant with the
    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA). The Defendant admits that
    they were the registered keeper but was not the driver of the
    vehicle at the time of the parking event for which this claim is
    made, so cannot be liable. However, the Defendant admits to being a
    passenger in this instance.

    3. Referring to the POC: paragraph 1 is denied. The Defendant is
    not indebted to the Claimant. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant
    does not accept that a contravention occurred on **/**/****, as
    alleged.  Whilst the Defendant is the registered keeper,
    paragraphs 3 and 4 are denied. The Defendant was not the driver
    and is not liable and has seen no evidence of a breach of
    prominent terms.  The quantum is hugely exaggerated (no PCN can be
    £170 on private land) and there were no damages incurred
    whatsoever. Moreover, given the passage of nearly 16 months and
    the lack of specific details in the inadequate Particulars of
    Claim, it is impossible for the Defendant to provide a complete
    defence, particularly as the signage at the location is not of
    adequate size, signage is too similar to thos of the adjoining car 
    park, with those signs being only a different colour but otherwise 
    identical to the adjoining car park and ineffective or inadequate 
    at time of the alleged contravention due to poor illunination.

    4. Further, regarding the Particulars of Claim paragraph 4,
    research has proved that this Claimant has never used the POFA
    2012 and has never been able to hold registered keepers liable.
    The solicitor signatory of the statement of truth on this claim is
    knowingly or negligently misleading the court by citing that law.
    Despite tens of thousands of boilerplate claims from DCB Legal
    causing inflated default CCJs this year - they have reportedly
    filed a 'job lot' of template bulk claims for this Claimant, all
    repeating the untruth about the POFA 2012 - MET and DCBL have no
    cause of action against any registered keeper.

    5. It is neither admitted nor denied that a term was breached but
    to form a contract, there must be an offer, acceptance, and
    valuable consideration (absent in this case). The Consumer Rights
    Act 2015 (s71) mandates a 'test of fairness' duty on Courts and
    sets a high bar for prominence of terms and 'consumer notices'.
    Paying regard to Sch2 (examples 6, 10, 14 & 18), also s62 and the
    duties of fair, open dealing/good faith, the Defendant notes that
    this Claimant reportedly uses unclear (unfair) terms/notices. On
    the limited information given, this case looks no different. The
    Claimant is put to strict proof with contemporaneous photographs.

    6. DVLA keeper data is only supplied on the basis of prior written
    landowner authority. The Claimant (an agent) is put to strict
    proof of their standing to sue and the terms, scope and dates of
    the landowner agreement, including the contract, updates,
    schedules and a map of the site boundary set by the landowner (not
    an unverified Google Maps aerial view).

    7. To impose a PC, as well as a breach, there must be: (i) a
    strong 'legitimate interest' extending beyond compensation for
    loss, and (ii) 'adequate notice' (prominence) of the PC and any
    relevant obligation(s). None of which have been demonstrated. This
    PC is a penalty arising as a result of a 'concealed pitfall or
    trap', poor signs and covert surveillance, thus it is fully
    distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC67.

    8. Attention is drawn to (i) paras 98, 100, 193, 198 of  Beavis
    (an £85 PC comfortably covered all letter chain costs and
    generated a profit shared with the landowner) and also to (ii) the
    binding judgment in ParkingEye v Somerfield Stores ChD [2011] EWHC
    4023(QB) which remains unaffected by Beavis and stands as the only
    parking case law that deals with costs abuse. HHJ Hegarty held in
    paras 419-428 (High Court, later ratified by the CoA) that 'admin
    costs' inflating a £75 PC (already increased from £37.50) to £135
    were disproportionate to the minor cost of an automated
    letter-chain and 'would appear to be penal'.

    9. The Parking (Code of Practice) Act will curb rogue conduct by
    operators and their debt recovery agents (DRAs). The Government
    recently launched a Public Consultation considered likely to bring
    in a ban on DRA fees, which a 2022 Minister called ‘extorting
    money from motorists’. They have identified in July 2025: 'profit
    being made by DRAs is significantly higher than by parking
    operators' and 'the high profits may be indicative of these firms
    having too much control over the market, thereby indicating that
    there is a market failure'.

    10. Pursuant to Sch4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012
    ('POFA') the claim exceeds the maximum sum and is unrecoverable:
    see Explanatory Note 221: 'The creditor may not make a claim
    against the keeper for more than the amount of the unpaid parking
    related charges as they stood when the notice to the driver was
    issued (para 4(5))'. Late fees (unknown to drivers, not specified
    on signs) are not 'unpaid parking related charges'. They are the
    invention of 'no win no fee' DRAs. Even in the (unlikely) event
    that the Claimant complied with the POFA and CoP, there is no
    keeper liability law for DRA fees.

    11. This claim is an utter waste of court resources and it is an
    indication of systemic abuse that parking cases now make up a
    third of all small claims. False fees fuel bulk litigation that
    has overburdened HMCTS. The most common outcome of defended cases
    is late discontinuance, making Claimants liable for costs
    (r.38.6(1)). Whilst this does not 'normally' apply to the small
    claims track (r.38.6(3)) the White Book has this annotation: 'Note
    that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a
    case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of
    discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be
    awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))'.
  • Coupon-mad
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    I think remove the top line (not needed) and change this (because it is untrue):

    "research has proved that this Claimant has never used the POFA 2012 and has never been able to hold registered keepers liable"

    To this

    The POFA does not apply on land covered by Airport byelaws so the Claimant knows, or should know, that they are unable to hold a registered keeper liable at this Airport location.
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  • Car1980
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    You could expand it a bit e.g.

    The claimant is the registered keeper of the vehicle but was not the driver on the day alleged. No contract exists between the two parties. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 does not apply on land covered by Airport byelaws, so the Claimant and his solicitor know, or should know, that they are unable to hold a registered keeper liable at this Airport location. Therefore there is no legal mechanism that could make the defendant liable.

    As there is no legal case for liability, it submitted that the claim should be struck out under 3.4(2)(a) where a statement of case discloses no reasonable grounds for bringing a claim.

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