Caught speeding again - seeking advice on challenging it

LightningBolt

Flugelhorn said:

20+ years ago I ended up with 9 points in a very short space of time- yes I needed to drive for work / transporting kids / social - you can be jolly sure it turned me into a very very careful driver who always sticks to the speed limit 

That's what I try to do.  The problem is that it's very easy to forget that a road has a 30 limit when it feels like a 40 limit road.  I partly blame the ridiculous ban on repeater signs in this situation.

troublemaker22

Wrong forum. You need to go to https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/

LightningBolt

Emmia said:

You have, by your own admission, been caught more than once on the same stretch of road. This should make you more careful when using that road in particular.

I'm sure people who are dangerous drivers, don't think of themselves in this way, it's always "other people" who are dangerous drivers. 

I am "more careful when using that road in particular" in general.  I just slipped up on this occasion.  23 months is quite a long time in which I could potentially slip up again, either on this stretch of road or on another road that I don't use regularly.

LightFlare

troublemaker22 said:

Wrong forum. You need to go to https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/

This - ensure you read the “ before posting” thread and include any and all info requested 

(a word of warning though - they do not suffer “fools” over there BUT are exceptionally helpful if/when you engage in a suitable manner)

Bans can be avoided - but the reasons to not ban you have to be EXCEPTIONAL 

Not being able to go to social events or even work are not classed as exceptional 

Johnersh

Usual ACPO guidance was 10% plus 2 which is 35. You meet the threshold for prosecution (again).

The whole point of the totting up system is that you learn. So if a speed awareness course and two convictions haven't assisted with that, on 9 points you need to start driving like the pope. Let's not forget 30 is there because of urban risk. 

If you drive with android auto/car play, that will use GPS to remind you of prevailing speed limits with audio chimes. It'll even mute the stereo to do that... Obviously the start of a 30 zone should be signed with smaller repeaters, but street furniture is also the indication, as is set out in the highway code.

Points expire, so there should be scope for older convictions to reset (ie the actual time on 9 points to be less than first appears). 

LightningBolt

BridgetTheCat said:

Four times on the same stretch of road, and yet somehow that’s not your fault? 🙄 

It is indeed not my fault that:

• the speed limit for that stretch of road is somewhat counterintuitive
• someone decided to put a speed camera there, where it effects little if any improvement in road safety and hence it's a prime example of a camera people will think is just there to make money
• probably the first three times, there was no warning sign at the spot of the speed camera
• my regular group finishes at 9pm, when it's dark outside for 9-10 months of the year
• I have ASD (I probably should have mentioned this originally, not sure what difference that would make)

Ayr_Rage

LightningBolt said:

BridgetTheCat said:

Four times on the same stretch of road, and yet somehow that’s not your fault? 🙄 

It is indeed not my fault that:

• the speed limit for that stretch of road is somewhat counterintuitive
• someone decided to put a speed camera there, where it effects little if any improvement in road safety and hence it's a prime example of a camera people will think is just there to make money
• probably the first three times, there was no warning sign at the spot of the speed camera
• my regular group finishes at 9pm, when it's dark outside for 9-10 months of the year
• I have ASD (I probably should have mentioned this originally, not sure what difference that would make)

1. Irrelevant if signs are correct.
2. Slowing traffic improves safety
3. Maybe you just missed them if your assertion is "probably"
4. Irrelevant
5. Irrelevant if you meet the standards for having a licence.

LightFlare

First 3 points are imo irrelevant 

4th point - same but could be mitigated with alternative travel

5th - be careful how you phrase/use this. It could be used as evidence that you are unsafe to be on the road 

FTLA or s def the best place for accurate advice.

Bear in mind a ban isn’t on the cards yet - so best not to try and deal with “what ifs”

LightningBolt

Johnersh said:

Usual ACPO guidance was 10% plus 2 which is 35. You meet the threshold for prosecution (again).

The whole point of the totting up system is that you learn. So if a speed awareness course and two convictions haven't assisted with that, on 9 points you need to start driving like the pope. Let's not forget 30 is there because of urban risk.

How can I learn about how the pope drives?

There doesn't seem to be "urban risk" in this instance.  This is on a main radial road out of a city, it's a dual carriageway flanked by non-residential buildings and green space, and the road layout is such that there would practically never be pedestrians at that spot.

Johnersh said:

If you drive with android auto/car play, that will use GPS to remind you of prevailing speed limits with audio chimes. It'll even mute the stereo to do that... Obviously the start of a 30 zone should be signed with smaller repeaters, but street furniture is also the indication, as is set out in the highway code.

Points expire, so there should be scope for older convictions to reset (ie the actual time on 9 points to be less than first appears).

True, but therein lies the problem: It'll be about 23 months in my case before this happens.

Flugelhorn

LightningBolt said:

Flugelhorn said:

20+ years ago I ended up with 9 points in a very short space of time- yes I needed to drive for work / transporting kids / social - you can be jolly sure it turned me into a very very careful driver who always sticks to the speed limit 

That's what I try to do.  The problem is that it's very easy to forget that a road has a 30 limit when it feels like a 40 limit road.  I partly blame the ridiculous ban on repeater signs in this situation.

try another route??? 9 points is a very very effective reminder of the speed limit on that road