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Again thanks for the advice. Unfortantly she does not want to reason and it is likely to end up in court. I can get a mortgage to buy her out and a bit extra to enable her to get a nice 3 bedroom house in the area. She is adamant that I can stay on the mortgage and she will survive on a 19 hour per week contract and universal credit.... Can I ask what your situation/outcome was?ian1246 said:
That sounds eminently sensible - remember to offset any extra equity she gets against her entitlement to your share of the pension, or given the income disparity, potentially against a Spousal-Maintenance requirement.Pablolufc said:
Thanks for this response, I appreciate the time you have put into it. Yeah everything will be 50/50, drop offs, swimming etc, I actually do 70% of it now so I will get more time back! My job role is hybrid so I do get flexibility.ian1246 said:OP, if its 50/50 childcare are you going g to be doing pickups and drop off's at School, doctors appointments etc..?
If so, I'd advise you start right now and document it all.
I'd draw your attention to this on the front page of the calculator:
"You will not have anything to pay through the Child Maintenance Service if you are:- sharing care equally with the other parent"
As for equity - you have £202,000. How much is a 3 / 4 bed semi or mid-terrace within reasonable distance of the School? What shared ownership options are nearby?
Get yourself on your local Housing Association sites looking into this.
When the wife said she has no intention of working full time or maximising your earnings - how was this communicated?
Wife's under an obligation to maximise earnings.
I would suggest your best bet is to argue that the house needs to be sold to release the equity - if your having the children equally (evidence!!!) then your housing needs are as important as ex wives.
£150,000 or £175,000 equity should, in most of the country, be sufficient to cover a shared ownership purchase. With your ex's earnings level, she'd potentially be eligible for universal credit - meaning the rent on any unowned share of the house would be covered by housing allowance element.
That would leave you with £25,000 to £50,000 to purchase a property for yourself. The difference in shares is a reality you'll have to accept due to your income vs. Hers - your mortgage raising capacity is far higher than hers.
However any extra equity she gets is either offset against her share of your pension or buys out your spousal maintainance obligation.
Ultimately it sounds like she's going to argue she needs to stay in the house to meet her and children's housing needs - you need to be evidencing with a fine tooth comb your involvement with the children and provide evidence that there are viable housing options available to the ex.
You also need to be prepared for the ex, with the attitude she's displaying, to weaponise the children. The moment she realises you having the kids 50/50 removes her strongest card when it comes to the financial arrangement, she may well decide to restrict your access - thats where the evidence of the status quo of you *both* being equally involved with the children comes into play - since any child care arrangement will seek to keep the status quo.
The status quo prior to court-arrangements, however, can change. That means her blocking access to ensure she's the main parent could become the new status quo unless immediately legally challenged, but likewise if prior to separation she's the main day to day parent but post separation your now both equally involved, with this being the case for at least a few months... thats the new norm and status quo.
If you both have 2 children, insist as part of the financial settlement that the Child benefit for 1 is switched to you.
The reason i say this is you need to be laying the groundwork to offset any future CSA claim. The default position, if ex puts in a child maintainance claim, CSA take is whoever has child benefit = main resident parent and therefore the other pays child maintainance, even if night AND day care is equally 50/50.
It's then for you to supply evidence that the care is truly 50/50 - a statutory exception then exists and no Child Maintainance is due (hence the part on the calculator saying none is due). Having the child benefit for 1 of the children would form part of this evidence.
Other possible evidence:
- correspondence with Schools and nurseries i.e. varying hours, booking after school club, breakfast clubs etc..
- address of the children with official bodies i.e. council, NHS, Schools etc... Would suggest if the kids are staying 50/50, your address needs to be listed for at least 1 of them! (Don't let ex put hers for everything)
- NHS Correspondence i.e. appointments like dermatology or hearing tests often send letters about how it went and mentions which adult was present (I.e. mum or dad)
Ultimately 50/50 childcare means you genuinely actually *do* 50 / 50 of the childvare - that means School runs, time off work etc... If you are, then absolutely evidence it since without evidence, its entirely possible you could end up paying child maintaince as a result of the ex-wife claiming it and there being insufficient evidence for CSA to apply the exception.
If however its merely 50/50 on where the kids live i.e. nights at yours, but ex is still doing the day to day stuff, then you will owe child maintainance and the childcare isn't actually 50/50.
Edit: one other thing- get your figures on mortgageability firmed up.
I.e. £55,000 income might translate to around £247,500 mortgage borrowing capacity (4.5 times income) - which evidently would be insufficient to both stay on the existing mortgage and then cover your and childrens own housing needs. With a £25,000 or £50,000 deposit it would also mean the house you'd be able to afford would be broadly equal to one the ex could afford with a £150,000 / £175,000 deposit and her own limited mortgage raising capacity (4.5 times income) and/or shared ownership.
That would be the angle I'd combat her with - no emotions, just cold hard maths.
I'd also be sure to highlight the effect of the kids being at nursery/school and your having them 50/50, on your ex's capacity to work full time hours - thereby demonstrating it is a choice rather than a requirement.
She has started to see "someone else" now so I am hoping that he may offer a solution to her housing needs however I think she is going to dig in. To me the best outcome for all both emotionally and financially would be sell the house, pay out equity as per needs of each parent and we should both be able to afford a mortgage on a house close to each other so its minimum disruption for the children. A typical 3 bedroom house in our area is around £180-230k if she gets the majority of the equity then surely this would be a possible solution? I would be free from the mortgage and would be able to buy my own place and have no financial ties.
Glad to hear your so hands on when it comes to the kids - I'm a 60/40 Dad (my son spends 60% of the time with me) and I do find it often quite depressing when I speak to colleagues or other men who have essentially allowed their ex-wife to push them either out or minimise their involvement with the children - and I have absolutely no patience for the "bare minimum" Dad's - we live in the modern age and happily there is a growing % of children to separated parents who get to spend a far more equal portion of time with both parents - allowing the opportunity to develop better relationships.
Your ex sounds like she needs to get with the 21st century - the days of men being tied to marital homes paying for the house for the next 15 years whilst ex lives in it, consigning the father to a bed-sit and no where for their children, are happily becoming increasingly rare.
Who is your current mortgage with? If you go on their website, odds are they will have a mortgage calculator which will calculate how much can be borrowed. Play the role of your ex - in as realistic manner as you can with income and outgoings - and that should give you a pretty good idea of her mortgage raising capacity. If you contrast that to the average reasonable family-home (suitable to meet her needs) in proximity to the kids schools / where the marital home's currently located, that should give you a decent idea on the sort of equity she'll need to meet her housing needs. Evidence that for the mediation and/or court.
Ultimately - the aim for you is to be as reasonable and fair as you can be, whilst also ensuring that your interests are looked after. The court will move away from a 50/50 settlement - but only so far as is *necessary* to meet both parent's needs. If she's demanding that you remain tied to her for the next decade or 2, its on her to demonstrate why that is necessary - and its for you to prove that's an excessive demand.
Another thing in your shoes which I'd be doing is starting to catalogue reasonable houses in the area as they appear on Zoopla, Rightmove, onthemarket etc.... - screenshot the advertisement showing the price and location and perhaps the floorplan of the house and stick it onto a word document - including the date it first appears on the market and a link to the advertisement.
That way you start to build evidence to support your position that what the ex is demanding is excessive and unreasonable, by demonstrating what else is actually out there and has been available through the period of separation / dispute. This would hopefully also help demonstrate how unreasonable your ex is being with her demands.
If you are genuinely having the kids 70%, evidence it and speak to a solicitor ASAP - if that is the status quo and you and the kids are happy with it, in your shoes I'd potentially be seeking to keep that and moving forward as the main residential parent whilst ex becomes the non-resident parent - that means provided you have solid evidence, potentially appealing to HMRC to have the child benefit switched to yourself and Child-Maintenance payments made by Ex to yourself. It would also absolutely have a baring on the financial settlement if she's staying in the marital home with the kids there only 30% of the time, whilst for the other 70% they are with you elsewhere (In appropriate accommodation? Or is a bit of a squeeze?).
This approach would absolutely be inflammatory mind and could further strain relations, but ultimately if she's not the main parent - why should she be receiving the Child Benefit and Universal Credit Support (Its actually benefit fraud if she is!) AND demanding you pay for her housing needs for the next 16 years, whilst the kids live predominantly with you!!! Only you can make the call on whether it would be worth it.
The Ex absolutely needs tuning in (by an appropriate professional) - you paying 100% of the childcare, are you paying 100% of the mortgage costs for the marital home she lives in?.... whilst the kids stay 70% of the time with you? Speak to a solicitor ASAP on how best to start building your case with solid evidence.0 -
I have offered to buy her out - which orginally she wanted, However since speaking to her mum she does not want to be seen as walking out on the kids. I am happy with any resoultion which is fair for all - I am not willing to stay on a mortgage for a house I do not live in for a women who left me for another man - hence why I would suggest a equity split to enable us both to purchase and live close by.Savvy_Sue said:Agree with the above, and there could be an argument that you stay in the marital home (paying the mortgage of course) while she moves elsewhere, to minimise disruption to the children. Except, of course, you don't need a 4 bed house if your stepdaughter is adequately housed elsewhere.
mind you, I do feel a bit sorry for your stepdaughter, who may feel she's being 'pushed out' if there isn't a room for her with her younger siblings.0 -
Thanks - apparantly she can have what she wants and she wants the house without increasing hours....Savvy_Sue said:
It's a nice thought, but nothing you've said suggests that she would. She has three children: even if the younger two can reasonably be expected to share at the moment, her eldest won't finish Uni for at least 6 years. By that stage the younger two sharing may not be considered that 'reasonable'. Yes, the eldest has options, but Mum won't want to make her feel 'pushed out' before she's finished education.Pablolufc said:No my step daughter is not adopted. She has both her dad and grandparents just down the road and tends to go from house to house which works well. I would only be looking for a 3 bedroom and I would like to think my wife would do the same.
I offer, however, the thought that in six years Mum might reasonably be expected to improve her earning position if she feels she needs a larger house. She may not want to do that, but in divorce, not everyone can have what they want, and you may need to remind her of that.
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Initially this was the plan with the stepdaughter spending 50% of the time in the marital home...Savvy_Sue said:Agree with the above, and there could be an argument that you stay in the marital home (paying the mortgage of course) while she moves elsewhere, to minimise disruption to the children. Except, of course, you don't need a 4 bed house if your stepdaughter is adequately housed elsewhere.
mind you, I do feel a bit sorry for your stepdaughter, who may feel she's being 'pushed out' if there isn't a room for her with her younger siblings.0 -
Me and My ex had our heated moments, but managed to get into mediation.Pablolufc said:
Again thanks for the advice. Unfortantly she does not want to reason and it is likely to end up in court. I can get a mortgage to buy her out and a bit extra to enable her to get a nice 3 bedroom house in the area. She is adamant that I can stay on the mortgage and she will survive on a 19 hour per week contract and universal credit.... Can I ask what your situation/outcome was?ian1246 said:
That sounds eminently sensible - remember to offset any extra equity she gets against her entitlement to your share of the pension, or given the income disparity, potentially against a Spousal-Maintenance requirement.Pablolufc said:
Thanks for this response, I appreciate the time you have put into it. Yeah everything will be 50/50, drop offs, swimming etc, I actually do 70% of it now so I will get more time back! My job role is hybrid so I do get flexibility.ian1246 said:OP, if its 50/50 childcare are you going g to be doing pickups and drop off's at School, doctors appointments etc..?
If so, I'd advise you start right now and document it all.
I'd draw your attention to this on the front page of the calculator:
"You will not have anything to pay through the Child Maintenance Service if you are:- sharing care equally with the other parent"
As for equity - you have £202,000. How much is a 3 / 4 bed semi or mid-terrace within reasonable distance of the School? What shared ownership options are nearby?
Get yourself on your local Housing Association sites looking into this.
When the wife said she has no intention of working full time or maximising your earnings - how was this communicated?
Wife's under an obligation to maximise earnings.
I would suggest your best bet is to argue that the house needs to be sold to release the equity - if your having the children equally (evidence!!!) then your housing needs are as important as ex wives.
£150,000 or £175,000 equity should, in most of the country, be sufficient to cover a shared ownership purchase. With your ex's earnings level, she'd potentially be eligible for universal credit - meaning the rent on any unowned share of the house would be covered by housing allowance element.
That would leave you with £25,000 to £50,000 to purchase a property for yourself. The difference in shares is a reality you'll have to accept due to your income vs. Hers - your mortgage raising capacity is far higher than hers.
However any extra equity she gets is either offset against her share of your pension or buys out your spousal maintainance obligation.
Ultimately it sounds like she's going to argue she needs to stay in the house to meet her and children's housing needs - you need to be evidencing with a fine tooth comb your involvement with the children and provide evidence that there are viable housing options available to the ex.
You also need to be prepared for the ex, with the attitude she's displaying, to weaponise the children. The moment she realises you having the kids 50/50 removes her strongest card when it comes to the financial arrangement, she may well decide to restrict your access - thats where the evidence of the status quo of you *both* being equally involved with the children comes into play - since any child care arrangement will seek to keep the status quo.
The status quo prior to court-arrangements, however, can change. That means her blocking access to ensure she's the main parent could become the new status quo unless immediately legally challenged, but likewise if prior to separation she's the main day to day parent but post separation your now both equally involved, with this being the case for at least a few months... thats the new norm and status quo.
If you both have 2 children, insist as part of the financial settlement that the Child benefit for 1 is switched to you.
The reason i say this is you need to be laying the groundwork to offset any future CSA claim. The default position, if ex puts in a child maintainance claim, CSA take is whoever has child benefit = main resident parent and therefore the other pays child maintainance, even if night AND day care is equally 50/50.
It's then for you to supply evidence that the care is truly 50/50 - a statutory exception then exists and no Child Maintainance is due (hence the part on the calculator saying none is due). Having the child benefit for 1 of the children would form part of this evidence.
Other possible evidence:
- correspondence with Schools and nurseries i.e. varying hours, booking after school club, breakfast clubs etc..
- address of the children with official bodies i.e. council, NHS, Schools etc... Would suggest if the kids are staying 50/50, your address needs to be listed for at least 1 of them! (Don't let ex put hers for everything)
- NHS Correspondence i.e. appointments like dermatology or hearing tests often send letters about how it went and mentions which adult was present (I.e. mum or dad)
Ultimately 50/50 childcare means you genuinely actually *do* 50 / 50 of the childvare - that means School runs, time off work etc... If you are, then absolutely evidence it since without evidence, its entirely possible you could end up paying child maintaince as a result of the ex-wife claiming it and there being insufficient evidence for CSA to apply the exception.
If however its merely 50/50 on where the kids live i.e. nights at yours, but ex is still doing the day to day stuff, then you will owe child maintainance and the childcare isn't actually 50/50.
Edit: one other thing- get your figures on mortgageability firmed up.
I.e. £55,000 income might translate to around £247,500 mortgage borrowing capacity (4.5 times income) - which evidently would be insufficient to both stay on the existing mortgage and then cover your and childrens own housing needs. With a £25,000 or £50,000 deposit it would also mean the house you'd be able to afford would be broadly equal to one the ex could afford with a £150,000 / £175,000 deposit and her own limited mortgage raising capacity (4.5 times income) and/or shared ownership.
That would be the angle I'd combat her with - no emotions, just cold hard maths.
I'd also be sure to highlight the effect of the kids being at nursery/school and your having them 50/50, on your ex's capacity to work full time hours - thereby demonstrating it is a choice rather than a requirement.
She has started to see "someone else" now so I am hoping that he may offer a solution to her housing needs however I think she is going to dig in. To me the best outcome for all both emotionally and financially would be sell the house, pay out equity as per needs of each parent and we should both be able to afford a mortgage on a house close to each other so its minimum disruption for the children. A typical 3 bedroom house in our area is around £180-230k if she gets the majority of the equity then surely this would be a possible solution? I would be free from the mortgage and would be able to buy my own place and have no financial ties.
Glad to hear your so hands on when it comes to the kids - I'm a 60/40 Dad (my son spends 60% of the time with me) and I do find it often quite depressing when I speak to colleagues or other men who have essentially allowed their ex-wife to push them either out or minimise their involvement with the children - and I have absolutely no patience for the "bare minimum" Dad's - we live in the modern age and happily there is a growing % of children to separated parents who get to spend a far more equal portion of time with both parents - allowing the opportunity to develop better relationships.
Your ex sounds like she needs to get with the 21st century - the days of men being tied to marital homes paying for the house for the next 15 years whilst ex lives in it, consigning the father to a bed-sit and no where for their children, are happily becoming increasingly rare.
Who is your current mortgage with? If you go on their website, odds are they will have a mortgage calculator which will calculate how much can be borrowed. Play the role of your ex - in as realistic manner as you can with income and outgoings - and that should give you a pretty good idea of her mortgage raising capacity. If you contrast that to the average reasonable family-home (suitable to meet her needs) in proximity to the kids schools / where the marital home's currently located, that should give you a decent idea on the sort of equity she'll need to meet her housing needs. Evidence that for the mediation and/or court.
Ultimately - the aim for you is to be as reasonable and fair as you can be, whilst also ensuring that your interests are looked after. The court will move away from a 50/50 settlement - but only so far as is *necessary* to meet both parent's needs. If she's demanding that you remain tied to her for the next decade or 2, its on her to demonstrate why that is necessary - and its for you to prove that's an excessive demand.
Another thing in your shoes which I'd be doing is starting to catalogue reasonable houses in the area as they appear on Zoopla, Rightmove, onthemarket etc.... - screenshot the advertisement showing the price and location and perhaps the floorplan of the house and stick it onto a word document - including the date it first appears on the market and a link to the advertisement.
That way you start to build evidence to support your position that what the ex is demanding is excessive and unreasonable, by demonstrating what else is actually out there and has been available through the period of separation / dispute. This would hopefully also help demonstrate how unreasonable your ex is being with her demands.
If you are genuinely having the kids 70%, evidence it and speak to a solicitor ASAP - if that is the status quo and you and the kids are happy with it, in your shoes I'd potentially be seeking to keep that and moving forward as the main residential parent whilst ex becomes the non-resident parent - that means provided you have solid evidence, potentially appealing to HMRC to have the child benefit switched to yourself and Child-Maintenance payments made by Ex to yourself. It would also absolutely have a baring on the financial settlement if she's staying in the marital home with the kids there only 30% of the time, whilst for the other 70% they are with you elsewhere (In appropriate accommodation? Or is a bit of a squeeze?).
This approach would absolutely be inflammatory mind and could further strain relations, but ultimately if she's not the main parent - why should she be receiving the Child Benefit and Universal Credit Support (Its actually benefit fraud if she is!) AND demanding you pay for her housing needs for the next 16 years, whilst the kids live predominantly with you!!! Only you can make the call on whether it would be worth it.
The Ex absolutely needs tuning in (by an appropriate professional) - you paying 100% of the childcare, are you paying 100% of the mortgage costs for the marital home she lives in?.... whilst the kids stay 70% of the time with you? Speak to a solicitor ASAP on how best to start building your case with solid evidence.
She moved out whilst I was at work and broke the news she was leaving via a Facebook Messenger message.
I picked our son up the next day and a few days after that we met in neutral territory at a local pub, where her opening gambit was "i m going to need to have (son) more since I'll need child maintainance to survive off". My response was a "No" followed by my pointing out to her that I was just as involved as her - and that work had already authorised either a move to a Monday to Friday department or a flexible working agreement, which would allow me to meet my childcare agreements.
She agreed begrudgingly. She then further agreed to the house sale and a 50/50 split of equity & pensions - the only block was the mortgage, which due to tight finances I would struggle to cover on my own. We eventually agreed I'd cover the mortgage until its sale whilst ex would cover childcare fees. I thought we were sorted. Savings were split there and then 50/50, so that we would both have some modesr reserves in the short-term to meet our needs.
1 week later out of the blue she insisted on going to mediation - despite me asking her just to say what she wanted so I could decide if I'd agree to it or to counter offer - saving us all the costs involved. Turns out she'd had a free session with a solicitor...
Anyway, 4 mediation sessions & 4 months later, our house sale was nearing completion. I'd offered on a 3 bed semi myself in order to port the mortgage & thus save us paying a £11,500 early repayment fee - but there was no agreement in sight.
Ex was adamant she couldn't increase her hours past 3 days a week, despite by that point me having our son about 55% of the time & his childcare fee being for 45.5hours a week at nursery... (he rarely did that due to my having rest days during the week & keeping him home!)
Eventually we settled on a 41/59 split of the equity in her favour, but that extra equity was offset against its equal share of the pension transfer value she would get from my pension - reducing it from a 34% to a 18% share.
House sale completed & purchase went through with the mortgage ported, saving the £11,500 early repayment charge fees, which were then split 41/59. Of course, ex never realised the mortgage being ported meant I managed to carry over £187,500 at a 2.84% interest rate, locked in until June 2031... the top up mortgage for the remaining amount by comparison was 6%+, saving me 3.13%+ interest every year in repayments (worth around £5,868 a year on that £187,500).
I also don't think she considered that my accrued pension, due to my being in the emergency services, is inflation linked - meaning in the long run that extra share of pension i managed to hold onto will be worth substantially more than its equivilant equity value (particularly since due to my pension arrangements remaining broadly intact, I was able to maximise my mortgage over 40 years until 74years old - reducing the monthly payments & boosting current disposable income - which with a mortgage of 2.84%, means I can put far more into higher interest saving accounts).
Of course I failed to account that in the 5months the house was selling with me covering 100% of the mortgage, ex was paying 100% of the childcare fee's (& not contributing to the mortgage) but then claiming 85% of them back via universal credit - which given we were paying for 45.5hours a week of childcare, added up to a tidy sum (which she only declared as she entered her saving details into the financial agreement - she'd declined entirely to do financial disclosure during mediation). So... swings and roundabouts i guess!
Despite the agreement via mediation, it did still cost £3,500 in solicitor bills to get the financial agreement finalised - predominantly due to back & forth between them over admin. Pension fee's for sharing order was £850, mediation around £800-£900 total.
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Ex did try to play silly games in the forst 6 months, ripping up our agreement on our son 4 times - never outright trying to go past 50/50, but trying to reschedule the days we had him to suit her needs and make it as awkward as possible for me, probably hoping I wouldn't be able to meet my commitments and thus reduce time with him, making me liable for child maintainance... Eventually she stopped messing around and we've been amicable ever since.
I was advised by my solicitor I was on the cusp of Spousal Maintainance BTW at £46,000 whilst Ex was on £15,000 - this was in 2023.
Since then I now have my son as standard 16 out of every 28 days and nights, plus additional ad-hoc days i.e. ex going on holiday - this is due to recent mental health diagnosis, with her asking for help.
Currently since the seperation, I've had our son 59% of the days/nights to-date - i keep a spreadsheet to document it. Also responsible for all his dermatology appointments and have taken him to 6 out of his 8 hearing tests/ speech appointments. He's registered at mine for doctors and School, which he starts in 3 weeks time.
The whole process wasn't easy - there were times where if I'd have lost my cool we could have easily spiralled into blazing arguments, but the important thing was clinging onto civility knowing i have to work with her for the next 16 years (son was 2 at the time!!!). That's paid off now since its a lot less stress!
Ex brought a brand new shared ownership 3 bed semi with the £65,000 equity (59%) she got from our house sale and lives about 7miles away from our sons School - think she has a small mortgage with a 40 or 50% share of the property, paying rent on the remaining but then getting paid housing allowance via universal credit for it...
Overall, our son has 2 stable homes with parents who can be polite and decent to one another - but it could easily have gone the other way during the tense moments...
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Sorry to hear that! Lucky that she moved out as myself and my wife have no intention of moving out until all is decided. We have no issues with childcare arrangements and although we are going 50/50 I expect I will have them most of the time - she enjoys her social life currently and for the next 7 weekends she has plans so it will be just me and the kids which is ace! The house will be the sticking point - she is adamant she can stay here, even though she knows she cant afford it. My offer of giving her more of the equity so she can buy a sensible house is insulting to her. Do you know if mediation will advise her that what she is asking for is unrealistic? The average house price on the street is around £550k with I am assuming both couples earning a joint income of £75-100k. I am at a loss to how she will survive on £19k a year - even if I did pay have the mortgage she would still fall a long way short.ian1246 said:
Me and My ex had our heated moments, but managed to get into mediation.Pablolufc said:
Again thanks for the advice. Unfortantly she does not want to reason and it is likely to end up in court. I can get a mortgage to buy her out and a bit extra to enable her to get a nice 3 bedroom house in the area. She is adamant that I can stay on the mortgage and she will survive on a 19 hour per week contract and universal credit.... Can I ask what your situation/outcome was?ian1246 said:
That sounds eminently sensible - remember to offset any extra equity she gets against her entitlement to your share of the pension, or given the income disparity, potentially against a Spousal-Maintenance requirement.Pablolufc said:
Thanks for this response, I appreciate the time you have put into it. Yeah everything will be 50/50, drop offs, swimming etc, I actually do 70% of it now so I will get more time back! My job role is hybrid so I do get flexibility.ian1246 said:OP, if its 50/50 childcare are you going g to be doing pickups and drop off's at School, doctors appointments etc..?
If so, I'd advise you start right now and document it all.
I'd draw your attention to this on the front page of the calculator:
"You will not have anything to pay through the Child Maintenance Service if you are:- sharing care equally with the other parent"
As for equity - you have £202,000. How much is a 3 / 4 bed semi or mid-terrace within reasonable distance of the School? What shared ownership options are nearby?
Get yourself on your local Housing Association sites looking into this.
When the wife said she has no intention of working full time or maximising your earnings - how was this communicated?
Wife's under an obligation to maximise earnings.
I would suggest your best bet is to argue that the house needs to be sold to release the equity - if your having the children equally (evidence!!!) then your housing needs are as important as ex wives.
£150,000 or £175,000 equity should, in most of the country, be sufficient to cover a shared ownership purchase. With your ex's earnings level, she'd potentially be eligible for universal credit - meaning the rent on any unowned share of the house would be covered by housing allowance element.
That would leave you with £25,000 to £50,000 to purchase a property for yourself. The difference in shares is a reality you'll have to accept due to your income vs. Hers - your mortgage raising capacity is far higher than hers.
However any extra equity she gets is either offset against her share of your pension or buys out your spousal maintainance obligation.
Ultimately it sounds like she's going to argue she needs to stay in the house to meet her and children's housing needs - you need to be evidencing with a fine tooth comb your involvement with the children and provide evidence that there are viable housing options available to the ex.
You also need to be prepared for the ex, with the attitude she's displaying, to weaponise the children. The moment she realises you having the kids 50/50 removes her strongest card when it comes to the financial arrangement, she may well decide to restrict your access - thats where the evidence of the status quo of you *both* being equally involved with the children comes into play - since any child care arrangement will seek to keep the status quo.
The status quo prior to court-arrangements, however, can change. That means her blocking access to ensure she's the main parent could become the new status quo unless immediately legally challenged, but likewise if prior to separation she's the main day to day parent but post separation your now both equally involved, with this being the case for at least a few months... thats the new norm and status quo.
If you both have 2 children, insist as part of the financial settlement that the Child benefit for 1 is switched to you.
The reason i say this is you need to be laying the groundwork to offset any future CSA claim. The default position, if ex puts in a child maintainance claim, CSA take is whoever has child benefit = main resident parent and therefore the other pays child maintainance, even if night AND day care is equally 50/50.
It's then for you to supply evidence that the care is truly 50/50 - a statutory exception then exists and no Child Maintainance is due (hence the part on the calculator saying none is due). Having the child benefit for 1 of the children would form part of this evidence.
Other possible evidence:
- correspondence with Schools and nurseries i.e. varying hours, booking after school club, breakfast clubs etc..
- address of the children with official bodies i.e. council, NHS, Schools etc... Would suggest if the kids are staying 50/50, your address needs to be listed for at least 1 of them! (Don't let ex put hers for everything)
- NHS Correspondence i.e. appointments like dermatology or hearing tests often send letters about how it went and mentions which adult was present (I.e. mum or dad)
Ultimately 50/50 childcare means you genuinely actually *do* 50 / 50 of the childvare - that means School runs, time off work etc... If you are, then absolutely evidence it since without evidence, its entirely possible you could end up paying child maintaince as a result of the ex-wife claiming it and there being insufficient evidence for CSA to apply the exception.
If however its merely 50/50 on where the kids live i.e. nights at yours, but ex is still doing the day to day stuff, then you will owe child maintainance and the childcare isn't actually 50/50.
Edit: one other thing- get your figures on mortgageability firmed up.
I.e. £55,000 income might translate to around £247,500 mortgage borrowing capacity (4.5 times income) - which evidently would be insufficient to both stay on the existing mortgage and then cover your and childrens own housing needs. With a £25,000 or £50,000 deposit it would also mean the house you'd be able to afford would be broadly equal to one the ex could afford with a £150,000 / £175,000 deposit and her own limited mortgage raising capacity (4.5 times income) and/or shared ownership.
That would be the angle I'd combat her with - no emotions, just cold hard maths.
I'd also be sure to highlight the effect of the kids being at nursery/school and your having them 50/50, on your ex's capacity to work full time hours - thereby demonstrating it is a choice rather than a requirement.
She has started to see "someone else" now so I am hoping that he may offer a solution to her housing needs however I think she is going to dig in. To me the best outcome for all both emotionally and financially would be sell the house, pay out equity as per needs of each parent and we should both be able to afford a mortgage on a house close to each other so its minimum disruption for the children. A typical 3 bedroom house in our area is around £180-230k if she gets the majority of the equity then surely this would be a possible solution? I would be free from the mortgage and would be able to buy my own place and have no financial ties.
Glad to hear your so hands on when it comes to the kids - I'm a 60/40 Dad (my son spends 60% of the time with me) and I do find it often quite depressing when I speak to colleagues or other men who have essentially allowed their ex-wife to push them either out or minimise their involvement with the children - and I have absolutely no patience for the "bare minimum" Dad's - we live in the modern age and happily there is a growing % of children to separated parents who get to spend a far more equal portion of time with both parents - allowing the opportunity to develop better relationships.
Your ex sounds like she needs to get with the 21st century - the days of men being tied to marital homes paying for the house for the next 15 years whilst ex lives in it, consigning the father to a bed-sit and no where for their children, are happily becoming increasingly rare.
Who is your current mortgage with? If you go on their website, odds are they will have a mortgage calculator which will calculate how much can be borrowed. Play the role of your ex - in as realistic manner as you can with income and outgoings - and that should give you a pretty good idea of her mortgage raising capacity. If you contrast that to the average reasonable family-home (suitable to meet her needs) in proximity to the kids schools / where the marital home's currently located, that should give you a decent idea on the sort of equity she'll need to meet her housing needs. Evidence that for the mediation and/or court.
Ultimately - the aim for you is to be as reasonable and fair as you can be, whilst also ensuring that your interests are looked after. The court will move away from a 50/50 settlement - but only so far as is *necessary* to meet both parent's needs. If she's demanding that you remain tied to her for the next decade or 2, its on her to demonstrate why that is necessary - and its for you to prove that's an excessive demand.
Another thing in your shoes which I'd be doing is starting to catalogue reasonable houses in the area as they appear on Zoopla, Rightmove, onthemarket etc.... - screenshot the advertisement showing the price and location and perhaps the floorplan of the house and stick it onto a word document - including the date it first appears on the market and a link to the advertisement.
That way you start to build evidence to support your position that what the ex is demanding is excessive and unreasonable, by demonstrating what else is actually out there and has been available through the period of separation / dispute. This would hopefully also help demonstrate how unreasonable your ex is being with her demands.
If you are genuinely having the kids 70%, evidence it and speak to a solicitor ASAP - if that is the status quo and you and the kids are happy with it, in your shoes I'd potentially be seeking to keep that and moving forward as the main residential parent whilst ex becomes the non-resident parent - that means provided you have solid evidence, potentially appealing to HMRC to have the child benefit switched to yourself and Child-Maintenance payments made by Ex to yourself. It would also absolutely have a baring on the financial settlement if she's staying in the marital home with the kids there only 30% of the time, whilst for the other 70% they are with you elsewhere (In appropriate accommodation? Or is a bit of a squeeze?).
This approach would absolutely be inflammatory mind and could further strain relations, but ultimately if she's not the main parent - why should she be receiving the Child Benefit and Universal Credit Support (Its actually benefit fraud if she is!) AND demanding you pay for her housing needs for the next 16 years, whilst the kids live predominantly with you!!! Only you can make the call on whether it would be worth it.
The Ex absolutely needs tuning in (by an appropriate professional) - you paying 100% of the childcare, are you paying 100% of the mortgage costs for the marital home she lives in?.... whilst the kids stay 70% of the time with you? Speak to a solicitor ASAP on how best to start building your case with solid evidence.
She moved out whilst I was at work and broke the news she was leaving via a Facebook Messenger message.
I picked our son up the next day and a few days after that we met in neutral territory at a local pub, where her opening gambit was "i m going to need to have (son) more since I'll need child maintainance to survive off". My response was a "No" followed by my pointing out to her that I was just as involved as her - and that work had already authorised either a move to a Monday to Friday department or a flexible working agreement, which would allow me to meet my childcare agreements.
She agreed begrudgingly. She then further agreed to the house sale and a 50/50 split of equity & pensions - the only block was the mortgage, which due to tight finances I would struggle to cover on my own. We eventually agreed I'd cover the mortgage until its sale whilst ex would cover childcare fees. I thought we were sorted. Savings were split there and then 50/50, so that we would both have some modesr reserves in the short-term to meet our needs.
1 week later out of the blue she insisted on going to mediation - despite me asking her just to say what she wanted so I could decide if I'd agree to it or to counter offer - saving us all the costs involved. Turns out she'd had a free session with a solicitor...
Anyway, 4 mediation sessions & 4 months later, our house sale was nearing completion. I'd offered on a 3 bed semi myself in order to port the mortgage & thus save us paying a £11,500 early repayment fee - but there was no agreement in sight.
Ex was adamant she couldn't increase her hours past 3 days a week, despite by that point me having our son about 55% of the time & his childcare fee being for 45.5hours a week at nursery... (he rarely did that due to my having rest days during the week & keeping him home!)
Eventually we settled on a 41/59 split of the equity in her favour, but that extra equity was offset against its equal share of the pension transfer value she would get from my pension - reducing it from a 34% to a 18% share.
House sale completed & purchase went through with the mortgage ported, saving the £11,500 early repayment charge fees, which were then split 41/59. Of course, ex never realised the mortgage being ported meant I managed to carry over £187,500 at a 2.84% interest rate, locked in until June 2031... the top up mortgage for the remaining amount by comparison was 6%+, saving me 3.13%+ interest every year in repayments (worth around £5,868 a year on that £187,500).
I also don't think she considered that my accrued pension, due to my being in the emergency services, is inflation linked - meaning in the long run that extra share of pension i managed to hold onto will be worth substantially more than its equivilant equity value (particularly since due to my pension arrangements remaining broadly intact, I was able to maximise my mortgage over 40 years until 74years old - reducing the monthly payments & boosting current disposable income - which with a mortgage of 2.84%, means I can put far more into higher interest saving accounts).
Of course I failed to account that in the 5months the house was selling with me covering 100% of the mortgage, ex was paying 100% of the childcare fee's (& not contributing to the mortgage) but then claiming 85% of them back via universal credit - which given we were paying for 45.5hours a week of childcare, added up to a tidy sum (which she only declared as she entered her saving details into the financial agreement - she'd declined entirely to do financial disclosure during mediation). So... swings and roundabouts i guess!
Despite the agreement via mediation, it did still cost £3,500 in solicitor bills to get the financial agreement finalised - predominantly due to back & forth between them over admin. Pension fee's for sharing order was £850, mediation around £800-£900 total.
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Ex did try to play silly games in the forst 6 months, ripping up our agreement on our son 4 times - never outright trying to go past 50/50, but trying to reschedule the days we had him to suit her needs and make it as awkward as possible for me, probably hoping I wouldn't be able to meet my commitments and thus reduce time with him, making me liable for child maintainance... Eventually she stopped messing around and we've been amicable ever since.
I was advised by my solicitor I was on the cusp of Spousal Maintainance BTW at £46,000 whilst Ex was on £15,000 - this was in 2023.
Since then I now have my son as standard 16 out of every 28 days and nights, plus additional ad-hoc days i.e. ex going on holiday - this is due to recent mental health diagnosis, with her asking for help.
Currently since the seperation, I've had our son 59% of the days/nights to-date - i keep a spreadsheet to document it. Also responsible for all his dermatology appointments and have taken him to 6 out of his 8 hearing tests/ speech appointments. He's registered at mine for doctors and School, which he starts in 3 weeks time.
The whole process wasn't easy - there were times where if I'd have lost my cool we could have easily spiralled into blazing arguments, but the important thing was clinging onto civility knowing i have to work with her for the next 16 years (son was 2 at the time!!!). That's paid off now since its a lot less stress!
Ex brought a brand new shared ownership 3 bed semi with the £65,000 equity (59%) she got from our house sale and lives about 7miles away from our sons School - think she has a small mortgage with a 40 or 50% share of the property, paying rent on the remaining but then getting paid housing allowance via universal credit for it...
Overall, our son has 2 stable homes with parents who can be polite and decent to one another - but it could easily have gone the other way during the tense moments...0 -
Our mediator was willing to spell out some home truths, though if I m honest it did feel like she was heavily biased against me - possibly due to my gender or being the higher earner.Pablolufc said:
Sorry to hear that! Lucky that she moved out as myself and my wife have no intention of moving out until all is decided. We have no issues with childcare arrangements and although we are going 50/50 I expect I will have them most of the time - she enjoys her social life currently and for the next 7 weekends she has plans so it will be just me and the kids which is ace! The house will be the sticking point - she is adamant she can stay here, even though she knows she cant afford it. My offer of giving her more of the equity so she can buy a sensible house is insulting to her. Do you know if mediation will advise her that what she is asking for is unrealistic? The average house price on the street is around £550k with I am assuming both couples earning a joint income of £75-100k. I am at a loss to how she will survive on £19k a year - even if I did pay have the mortgage she would still fall a long way short.ian1246 said:
Me and My ex had our heated moments, but managed to get into mediation.Pablolufc said:
Again thanks for the advice. Unfortantly she does not want to reason and it is likely to end up in court. I can get a mortgage to buy her out and a bit extra to enable her to get a nice 3 bedroom house in the area. She is adamant that I can stay on the mortgage and she will survive on a 19 hour per week contract and universal credit.... Can I ask what your situation/outcome was?ian1246 said:
That sounds eminently sensible - remember to offset any extra equity she gets against her entitlement to your share of the pension, or given the income disparity, potentially against a Spousal-Maintenance requirement.Pablolufc said:
Thanks for this response, I appreciate the time you have put into it. Yeah everything will be 50/50, drop offs, swimming etc, I actually do 70% of it now so I will get more time back! My job role is hybrid so I do get flexibility.ian1246 said:OP, if its 50/50 childcare are you going g to be doing pickups and drop off's at School, doctors appointments etc..?
If so, I'd advise you start right now and document it all.
I'd draw your attention to this on the front page of the calculator:
"You will not have anything to pay through the Child Maintenance Service if you are:- sharing care equally with the other parent"
As for equity - you have £202,000. How much is a 3 / 4 bed semi or mid-terrace within reasonable distance of the School? What shared ownership options are nearby?
Get yourself on your local Housing Association sites looking into this.
When the wife said she has no intention of working full time or maximising your earnings - how was this communicated?
Wife's under an obligation to maximise earnings.
I would suggest your best bet is to argue that the house needs to be sold to release the equity - if your having the children equally (evidence!!!) then your housing needs are as important as ex wives.
£150,000 or £175,000 equity should, in most of the country, be sufficient to cover a shared ownership purchase. With your ex's earnings level, she'd potentially be eligible for universal credit - meaning the rent on any unowned share of the house would be covered by housing allowance element.
That would leave you with £25,000 to £50,000 to purchase a property for yourself. The difference in shares is a reality you'll have to accept due to your income vs. Hers - your mortgage raising capacity is far higher than hers.
However any extra equity she gets is either offset against her share of your pension or buys out your spousal maintainance obligation.
Ultimately it sounds like she's going to argue she needs to stay in the house to meet her and children's housing needs - you need to be evidencing with a fine tooth comb your involvement with the children and provide evidence that there are viable housing options available to the ex.
You also need to be prepared for the ex, with the attitude she's displaying, to weaponise the children. The moment she realises you having the kids 50/50 removes her strongest card when it comes to the financial arrangement, she may well decide to restrict your access - thats where the evidence of the status quo of you *both* being equally involved with the children comes into play - since any child care arrangement will seek to keep the status quo.
The status quo prior to court-arrangements, however, can change. That means her blocking access to ensure she's the main parent could become the new status quo unless immediately legally challenged, but likewise if prior to separation she's the main day to day parent but post separation your now both equally involved, with this being the case for at least a few months... thats the new norm and status quo.
If you both have 2 children, insist as part of the financial settlement that the Child benefit for 1 is switched to you.
The reason i say this is you need to be laying the groundwork to offset any future CSA claim. The default position, if ex puts in a child maintainance claim, CSA take is whoever has child benefit = main resident parent and therefore the other pays child maintainance, even if night AND day care is equally 50/50.
It's then for you to supply evidence that the care is truly 50/50 - a statutory exception then exists and no Child Maintainance is due (hence the part on the calculator saying none is due). Having the child benefit for 1 of the children would form part of this evidence.
Other possible evidence:
- correspondence with Schools and nurseries i.e. varying hours, booking after school club, breakfast clubs etc..
- address of the children with official bodies i.e. council, NHS, Schools etc... Would suggest if the kids are staying 50/50, your address needs to be listed for at least 1 of them! (Don't let ex put hers for everything)
- NHS Correspondence i.e. appointments like dermatology or hearing tests often send letters about how it went and mentions which adult was present (I.e. mum or dad)
Ultimately 50/50 childcare means you genuinely actually *do* 50 / 50 of the childvare - that means School runs, time off work etc... If you are, then absolutely evidence it since without evidence, its entirely possible you could end up paying child maintaince as a result of the ex-wife claiming it and there being insufficient evidence for CSA to apply the exception.
If however its merely 50/50 on where the kids live i.e. nights at yours, but ex is still doing the day to day stuff, then you will owe child maintainance and the childcare isn't actually 50/50.
Edit: one other thing- get your figures on mortgageability firmed up.
I.e. £55,000 income might translate to around £247,500 mortgage borrowing capacity (4.5 times income) - which evidently would be insufficient to both stay on the existing mortgage and then cover your and childrens own housing needs. With a £25,000 or £50,000 deposit it would also mean the house you'd be able to afford would be broadly equal to one the ex could afford with a £150,000 / £175,000 deposit and her own limited mortgage raising capacity (4.5 times income) and/or shared ownership.
That would be the angle I'd combat her with - no emotions, just cold hard maths.
I'd also be sure to highlight the effect of the kids being at nursery/school and your having them 50/50, on your ex's capacity to work full time hours - thereby demonstrating it is a choice rather than a requirement.
She has started to see "someone else" now so I am hoping that he may offer a solution to her housing needs however I think she is going to dig in. To me the best outcome for all both emotionally and financially would be sell the house, pay out equity as per needs of each parent and we should both be able to afford a mortgage on a house close to each other so its minimum disruption for the children. A typical 3 bedroom house in our area is around £180-230k if she gets the majority of the equity then surely this would be a possible solution? I would be free from the mortgage and would be able to buy my own place and have no financial ties.
Glad to hear your so hands on when it comes to the kids - I'm a 60/40 Dad (my son spends 60% of the time with me) and I do find it often quite depressing when I speak to colleagues or other men who have essentially allowed their ex-wife to push them either out or minimise their involvement with the children - and I have absolutely no patience for the "bare minimum" Dad's - we live in the modern age and happily there is a growing % of children to separated parents who get to spend a far more equal portion of time with both parents - allowing the opportunity to develop better relationships.
Your ex sounds like she needs to get with the 21st century - the days of men being tied to marital homes paying for the house for the next 15 years whilst ex lives in it, consigning the father to a bed-sit and no where for their children, are happily becoming increasingly rare.
Who is your current mortgage with? If you go on their website, odds are they will have a mortgage calculator which will calculate how much can be borrowed. Play the role of your ex - in as realistic manner as you can with income and outgoings - and that should give you a pretty good idea of her mortgage raising capacity. If you contrast that to the average reasonable family-home (suitable to meet her needs) in proximity to the kids schools / where the marital home's currently located, that should give you a decent idea on the sort of equity she'll need to meet her housing needs. Evidence that for the mediation and/or court.
Ultimately - the aim for you is to be as reasonable and fair as you can be, whilst also ensuring that your interests are looked after. The court will move away from a 50/50 settlement - but only so far as is *necessary* to meet both parent's needs. If she's demanding that you remain tied to her for the next decade or 2, its on her to demonstrate why that is necessary - and its for you to prove that's an excessive demand.
Another thing in your shoes which I'd be doing is starting to catalogue reasonable houses in the area as they appear on Zoopla, Rightmove, onthemarket etc.... - screenshot the advertisement showing the price and location and perhaps the floorplan of the house and stick it onto a word document - including the date it first appears on the market and a link to the advertisement.
That way you start to build evidence to support your position that what the ex is demanding is excessive and unreasonable, by demonstrating what else is actually out there and has been available through the period of separation / dispute. This would hopefully also help demonstrate how unreasonable your ex is being with her demands.
If you are genuinely having the kids 70%, evidence it and speak to a solicitor ASAP - if that is the status quo and you and the kids are happy with it, in your shoes I'd potentially be seeking to keep that and moving forward as the main residential parent whilst ex becomes the non-resident parent - that means provided you have solid evidence, potentially appealing to HMRC to have the child benefit switched to yourself and Child-Maintenance payments made by Ex to yourself. It would also absolutely have a baring on the financial settlement if she's staying in the marital home with the kids there only 30% of the time, whilst for the other 70% they are with you elsewhere (In appropriate accommodation? Or is a bit of a squeeze?).
This approach would absolutely be inflammatory mind and could further strain relations, but ultimately if she's not the main parent - why should she be receiving the Child Benefit and Universal Credit Support (Its actually benefit fraud if she is!) AND demanding you pay for her housing needs for the next 16 years, whilst the kids live predominantly with you!!! Only you can make the call on whether it would be worth it.
The Ex absolutely needs tuning in (by an appropriate professional) - you paying 100% of the childcare, are you paying 100% of the mortgage costs for the marital home she lives in?.... whilst the kids stay 70% of the time with you? Speak to a solicitor ASAP on how best to start building your case with solid evidence.
She moved out whilst I was at work and broke the news she was leaving via a Facebook Messenger message.
I picked our son up the next day and a few days after that we met in neutral territory at a local pub, where her opening gambit was "i m going to need to have (son) more since I'll need child maintainance to survive off". My response was a "No" followed by my pointing out to her that I was just as involved as her - and that work had already authorised either a move to a Monday to Friday department or a flexible working agreement, which would allow me to meet my childcare agreements.
She agreed begrudgingly. She then further agreed to the house sale and a 50/50 split of equity & pensions - the only block was the mortgage, which due to tight finances I would struggle to cover on my own. We eventually agreed I'd cover the mortgage until its sale whilst ex would cover childcare fees. I thought we were sorted. Savings were split there and then 50/50, so that we would both have some modesr reserves in the short-term to meet our needs.
1 week later out of the blue she insisted on going to mediation - despite me asking her just to say what she wanted so I could decide if I'd agree to it or to counter offer - saving us all the costs involved. Turns out she'd had a free session with a solicitor...
Anyway, 4 mediation sessions & 4 months later, our house sale was nearing completion. I'd offered on a 3 bed semi myself in order to port the mortgage & thus save us paying a £11,500 early repayment fee - but there was no agreement in sight.
Ex was adamant she couldn't increase her hours past 3 days a week, despite by that point me having our son about 55% of the time & his childcare fee being for 45.5hours a week at nursery... (he rarely did that due to my having rest days during the week & keeping him home!)
Eventually we settled on a 41/59 split of the equity in her favour, but that extra equity was offset against its equal share of the pension transfer value she would get from my pension - reducing it from a 34% to a 18% share.
House sale completed & purchase went through with the mortgage ported, saving the £11,500 early repayment charge fees, which were then split 41/59. Of course, ex never realised the mortgage being ported meant I managed to carry over £187,500 at a 2.84% interest rate, locked in until June 2031... the top up mortgage for the remaining amount by comparison was 6%+, saving me 3.13%+ interest every year in repayments (worth around £5,868 a year on that £187,500).
I also don't think she considered that my accrued pension, due to my being in the emergency services, is inflation linked - meaning in the long run that extra share of pension i managed to hold onto will be worth substantially more than its equivilant equity value (particularly since due to my pension arrangements remaining broadly intact, I was able to maximise my mortgage over 40 years until 74years old - reducing the monthly payments & boosting current disposable income - which with a mortgage of 2.84%, means I can put far more into higher interest saving accounts).
Of course I failed to account that in the 5months the house was selling with me covering 100% of the mortgage, ex was paying 100% of the childcare fee's (& not contributing to the mortgage) but then claiming 85% of them back via universal credit - which given we were paying for 45.5hours a week of childcare, added up to a tidy sum (which she only declared as she entered her saving details into the financial agreement - she'd declined entirely to do financial disclosure during mediation). So... swings and roundabouts i guess!
Despite the agreement via mediation, it did still cost £3,500 in solicitor bills to get the financial agreement finalised - predominantly due to back & forth between them over admin. Pension fee's for sharing order was £850, mediation around £800-£900 total.
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Ex did try to play silly games in the forst 6 months, ripping up our agreement on our son 4 times - never outright trying to go past 50/50, but trying to reschedule the days we had him to suit her needs and make it as awkward as possible for me, probably hoping I wouldn't be able to meet my commitments and thus reduce time with him, making me liable for child maintainance... Eventually she stopped messing around and we've been amicable ever since.
I was advised by my solicitor I was on the cusp of Spousal Maintainance BTW at £46,000 whilst Ex was on £15,000 - this was in 2023.
Since then I now have my son as standard 16 out of every 28 days and nights, plus additional ad-hoc days i.e. ex going on holiday - this is due to recent mental health diagnosis, with her asking for help.
Currently since the seperation, I've had our son 59% of the days/nights to-date - i keep a spreadsheet to document it. Also responsible for all his dermatology appointments and have taken him to 6 out of his 8 hearing tests/ speech appointments. He's registered at mine for doctors and School, which he starts in 3 weeks time.
The whole process wasn't easy - there were times where if I'd have lost my cool we could have easily spiralled into blazing arguments, but the important thing was clinging onto civility knowing i have to work with her for the next 16 years (son was 2 at the time!!!). That's paid off now since its a lot less stress!
Ex brought a brand new shared ownership 3 bed semi with the £65,000 equity (59%) she got from our house sale and lives about 7miles away from our sons School - think she has a small mortgage with a 40 or 50% share of the property, paying rent on the remaining but then getting paid housing allowance via universal credit for it...
Overall, our son has 2 stable homes with parents who can be polite and decent to one another - but it could easily have gone the other way during the tense moments...
An example - the mediator pointed out to me my buying a 3 bed semi could be questioned in court - why do I need a 3 bed and not make do with a smaller 2 bed, thus needing a smaller share of the equity, giving the ex more to draw on?
This was weighed against my pointing out the ex had an obligation to maximise her hours at work to better support herself - with her work at the time actively advertising for 2 more full time workers - the mediator merely addressed that as "well yes, thats what's meant to happen but no doubt her solicitor will argue what's in the future is a what if, but we're in the here and now...." - it should be noted at this time our son was in nursery 45.5hrs a week 5 days a week (& the ex's job was at his nursery!!!).
When i raised, repeatedly, that the ex had yet to give any financial disclosure (savings, pensions, mortgage raising capability etc...) it was never addressed by the mediator.
Taking the biscuits though was when the ex was demanding my log in details to the bank our mortgage was with and accusing me of being financially controlling because I refused to supply my login details...
....When I pointed out, repeatedly, that we each had our own login details, that she had long ago lost hers (she never bothered showing any interest in finances) and she would need to contact the bank who could supply her new ones, it was just glossed over - at no point did the mediator try to mediate that or shut her down in demanding I hand over *my* login details (last I checked demanding a partnee/ex's bank details is an example of financial control!!)
The icing on the cake was when I randomly got an email sent to me by the ex, where she had somehow accidentally forwarded on her solicitors email to her and the mediator, setting out their position and what they were aiming for. At no point had the mediator mentioned she was in correspondence with the ex's solicitor - the only 1 to 1 correspondence I had with the mediator was in the fact finding session she had to do with each of us (seperately).
So... yeah, the mediator was willing to give guidance and advice and "home truths", but by the end of the process I felt like it wasn't really done fairly.
Just my experience though.
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Made me shudder reading this, PTSD! Firstly, each situation will be entirely unique, especially in terms of relationships and the respective dynamic.Pablolufc said:Hi! Looking for some early advice/tips.
Long story short my wife and myself are getting a divorce. 13 years together, 3.5 married. 3 kids (1 14 stepdaughter, 6 boy and 2 girl both mine)
Childcare we have no issues - both happy to coparent 50/50 and very amicable.
Debt - no major debt other than a car loan circa £15k being paid monthly - 4 years to go although it could be paid off with savings.
House value £500k (minus £100k H2B loan) £198K remaining on the Mortgage so approx £202k equity. Current deal expires in 2 years time and we did plan to had the help to buy loan to the mortgage to clear it as the interest is increasing.
My salary is £55k work full time. Her salary is £18k works part time by choice. 2 older kids in full time education and youngest at childcare 3 days a week. My wife has turned down potential promotions and extra hours as she enjoys being at home and financially there was no real requirement as we have a good life style.
We are starting mediation next month for the house however I do not believe we will agree a way forward.
What is the likely outcome for the house? Her solicitor seems to think I can be forced to stay on the mortgage until the youngest is 18. (16 years away) and should be able to take a 2nd home mortgage for myself. My solicitor has advised that this wont be the case and the banks would not allow me a 2nd mortgage - essentially I would be financially tied with my ex wife until I am nearly 60 - this would mean numerous remortage deals together and at some point adding the £100k equity loan to the mortgage.
My preference would be sell the house, split the equity fairly as per needs - i.e 60 or 70% in her favour to enable her to get a property in the area while at the same time I would be able to get a mortgage on a property in the same area meaning minimum disruption for the kids. The house we live in now is a comfortable 4 bedroom detached house, my wife is adamant she would need an identical house, thus meaning I should continue on the mortgage.
Any advise would be great, or if anyone has any similar stories!
Mine wasn't too dissimilar, with a slightly wider wage gap. I gave up everything (I mean everything apart from my pension) to ensure she had a mortgage free home. I paid the mortgage for years, whilst renting my own little place where the kids came a couple of days a week. Due to the mortgage (along with clearing over £50k of loans/debt) I didn't pay any maintenance until the house was sold, mortgage discharged, paid her another £60k in cash and she was in a new (smaller) house. I've had no contact for over 12 months but I can imagine she is still earning £13k a year, which is 100% her choice. The kids are at uni.
So in summary, I was pretty skint and cleared out for 6 years, the length of time from separation, divorce and house sale. Today I have a fabulous new partner, have hammered my pension and plan to retire next year at 57.
I'm probably a closet feminist(!) but there are some who think they are entitled and try to rinse every penny, plus try and come back for more (tip: make it full and final, steer clear of spousal payments and stick to lump sums) and totally lack personal accountability. Being a parent is not a job. In my particular circumstance I 100% did more of the child responsibilities, the housework, shopping, cooking etc, as well as being the bread winner....maybe why I got divorced after 20 years.
The only other advice...try your hardest to get the most out of mediation, don't get too drawn into some of the noise your solicitor makes (they know how to rile you up) and maintain dialogue with your OH as much as possible. Mine may have taken years but there were lots of reasons why (e.g. a failing housing market) but my total legal bills were under £6k and I paid hers too. P.S. unless she can take it on you have no chance of getting off of a mortgage.
There will be better days ahead but appreciate how stressful and dark things can feel when you are living through it. It has probably taken 10 years off my life!1 -
Thanks for this - she has no chance of taking on the household bills, they are over £3k a month. If I can not be taken off the mortgage does that mean I can be forced to stay on the mortgage? What would happen if I lost my job? I am still hoping she lets me buy her out, however she is not being rational and is unwilling to change her working hours or lifestyle, in fact she has just booked a holiday for next year with the step daughter, despite being in her overdraft and with all this looming.....Cobbler_tone said:
Made me shudder reading this, PTSD! Firstly, each situation will be entirely unique, especially in terms of relationships and the respective dynamic.Pablolufc said:Hi! Looking for some early advice/tips.
Long story short my wife and myself are getting a divorce. 13 years together, 3.5 married. 3 kids (1 14 stepdaughter, 6 boy and 2 girl both mine)
Childcare we have no issues - both happy to coparent 50/50 and very amicable.
Debt - no major debt other than a car loan circa £15k being paid monthly - 4 years to go although it could be paid off with savings.
House value £500k (minus £100k H2B loan) £198K remaining on the Mortgage so approx £202k equity. Current deal expires in 2 years time and we did plan to had the help to buy loan to the mortgage to clear it as the interest is increasing.
My salary is £55k work full time. Her salary is £18k works part time by choice. 2 older kids in full time education and youngest at childcare 3 days a week. My wife has turned down potential promotions and extra hours as she enjoys being at home and financially there was no real requirement as we have a good life style.
We are starting mediation next month for the house however I do not believe we will agree a way forward.
What is the likely outcome for the house? Her solicitor seems to think I can be forced to stay on the mortgage until the youngest is 18. (16 years away) and should be able to take a 2nd home mortgage for myself. My solicitor has advised that this wont be the case and the banks would not allow me a 2nd mortgage - essentially I would be financially tied with my ex wife until I am nearly 60 - this would mean numerous remortage deals together and at some point adding the £100k equity loan to the mortgage.
My preference would be sell the house, split the equity fairly as per needs - i.e 60 or 70% in her favour to enable her to get a property in the area while at the same time I would be able to get a mortgage on a property in the same area meaning minimum disruption for the kids. The house we live in now is a comfortable 4 bedroom detached house, my wife is adamant she would need an identical house, thus meaning I should continue on the mortgage.
Any advise would be great, or if anyone has any similar stories!
Mine wasn't too dissimilar, with a slightly wider wage gap. I gave up everything (I mean everything apart from my pension) to ensure she had a mortgage free home. I paid the mortgage for years, whilst renting my own little place where the kids came a couple of days a week. Due to the mortgage (along with clearing over £50k of loans/debt) I didn't pay any maintenance until the house was sold, mortgage discharged, paid her another £60k in cash and she was in a new (smaller) house. I've had no contact for over 12 months but I can imagine she is still earning £13k a year, which is 100% her choice. The kids are at uni.
So in summary, I was pretty skint and cleared out for 6 years, the length of time from separation, divorce and house sale. Today I have a fabulous new partner, have hammered my pension and plan to retire next year at 57.
I'm probably a closet feminist(!) but there are some who think they are entitled and try to rinse every penny, plus try and come back for more (tip: make it full and final, steer clear of spousal payments and stick to lump sums) and totally lack personal accountability. Being a parent is not a job. In my particular circumstance I 100% did more of the child responsibilities, the housework, shopping, cooking etc, as well as being the bread winner....maybe why I got divorced after 20 years.
The only other advice...try your hardest to get the most out of mediation, don't get too drawn into some of the noise your solicitor makes (they know how to rile you up) and maintain dialogue with your OH as much as possible. Mine may have taken years but there were lots of reasons why (e.g. a failing housing market) but my total legal bills were under £6k and I paid hers too. P.S. unless she can take it on you have no chance of getting off of a mortgage.
There will be better days ahead but appreciate how stressful and dark things can feel when you are living through it. It has probably taken 10 years off my life!0 -
I will let you know how we get on when mediation begins! I am happy to give up more of the equity to enable her to buy a similar house to what I would be looking for. For example a good 3 bedroom terraced/semi is around £230-270k. I would be happy splitting the equity 70/30 in her favour so we could both afford however she is not being reasonable. Not sure what other options there are?ian1246 said:
Our mediator was willing to spell out some home truths, though if I m honest it did feel like she was heavily biased against me - possibly due to my gender or being the higher earner.Pablolufc said:
Sorry to hear that! Lucky that she moved out as myself and my wife have no intention of moving out until all is decided. We have no issues with childcare arrangements and although we are going 50/50 I expect I will have them most of the time - she enjoys her social life currently and for the next 7 weekends she has plans so it will be just me and the kids which is ace! The house will be the sticking point - she is adamant she can stay here, even though she knows she cant afford it. My offer of giving her more of the equity so she can buy a sensible house is insulting to her. Do you know if mediation will advise her that what she is asking for is unrealistic? The average house price on the street is around £550k with I am assuming both couples earning a joint income of £75-100k. I am at a loss to how she will survive on £19k a year - even if I did pay have the mortgage she would still fall a long way short.ian1246 said:
Me and My ex had our heated moments, but managed to get into mediation.Pablolufc said:
Again thanks for the advice. Unfortantly she does not want to reason and it is likely to end up in court. I can get a mortgage to buy her out and a bit extra to enable her to get a nice 3 bedroom house in the area. She is adamant that I can stay on the mortgage and she will survive on a 19 hour per week contract and universal credit.... Can I ask what your situation/outcome was?ian1246 said:
That sounds eminently sensible - remember to offset any extra equity she gets against her entitlement to your share of the pension, or given the income disparity, potentially against a Spousal-Maintenance requirement.Pablolufc said:
Thanks for this response, I appreciate the time you have put into it. Yeah everything will be 50/50, drop offs, swimming etc, I actually do 70% of it now so I will get more time back! My job role is hybrid so I do get flexibility.ian1246 said:OP, if its 50/50 childcare are you going g to be doing pickups and drop off's at School, doctors appointments etc..?
If so, I'd advise you start right now and document it all.
I'd draw your attention to this on the front page of the calculator:
"You will not have anything to pay through the Child Maintenance Service if you are:- sharing care equally with the other parent"
As for equity - you have £202,000. How much is a 3 / 4 bed semi or mid-terrace within reasonable distance of the School? What shared ownership options are nearby?
Get yourself on your local Housing Association sites looking into this.
When the wife said she has no intention of working full time or maximising your earnings - how was this communicated?
Wife's under an obligation to maximise earnings.
I would suggest your best bet is to argue that the house needs to be sold to release the equity - if your having the children equally (evidence!!!) then your housing needs are as important as ex wives.
£150,000 or £175,000 equity should, in most of the country, be sufficient to cover a shared ownership purchase. With your ex's earnings level, she'd potentially be eligible for universal credit - meaning the rent on any unowned share of the house would be covered by housing allowance element.
That would leave you with £25,000 to £50,000 to purchase a property for yourself. The difference in shares is a reality you'll have to accept due to your income vs. Hers - your mortgage raising capacity is far higher than hers.
However any extra equity she gets is either offset against her share of your pension or buys out your spousal maintainance obligation.
Ultimately it sounds like she's going to argue she needs to stay in the house to meet her and children's housing needs - you need to be evidencing with a fine tooth comb your involvement with the children and provide evidence that there are viable housing options available to the ex.
You also need to be prepared for the ex, with the attitude she's displaying, to weaponise the children. The moment she realises you having the kids 50/50 removes her strongest card when it comes to the financial arrangement, she may well decide to restrict your access - thats where the evidence of the status quo of you *both* being equally involved with the children comes into play - since any child care arrangement will seek to keep the status quo.
The status quo prior to court-arrangements, however, can change. That means her blocking access to ensure she's the main parent could become the new status quo unless immediately legally challenged, but likewise if prior to separation she's the main day to day parent but post separation your now both equally involved, with this being the case for at least a few months... thats the new norm and status quo.
If you both have 2 children, insist as part of the financial settlement that the Child benefit for 1 is switched to you.
The reason i say this is you need to be laying the groundwork to offset any future CSA claim. The default position, if ex puts in a child maintainance claim, CSA take is whoever has child benefit = main resident parent and therefore the other pays child maintainance, even if night AND day care is equally 50/50.
It's then for you to supply evidence that the care is truly 50/50 - a statutory exception then exists and no Child Maintainance is due (hence the part on the calculator saying none is due). Having the child benefit for 1 of the children would form part of this evidence.
Other possible evidence:
- correspondence with Schools and nurseries i.e. varying hours, booking after school club, breakfast clubs etc..
- address of the children with official bodies i.e. council, NHS, Schools etc... Would suggest if the kids are staying 50/50, your address needs to be listed for at least 1 of them! (Don't let ex put hers for everything)
- NHS Correspondence i.e. appointments like dermatology or hearing tests often send letters about how it went and mentions which adult was present (I.e. mum or dad)
Ultimately 50/50 childcare means you genuinely actually *do* 50 / 50 of the childvare - that means School runs, time off work etc... If you are, then absolutely evidence it since without evidence, its entirely possible you could end up paying child maintaince as a result of the ex-wife claiming it and there being insufficient evidence for CSA to apply the exception.
If however its merely 50/50 on where the kids live i.e. nights at yours, but ex is still doing the day to day stuff, then you will owe child maintainance and the childcare isn't actually 50/50.
Edit: one other thing- get your figures on mortgageability firmed up.
I.e. £55,000 income might translate to around £247,500 mortgage borrowing capacity (4.5 times income) - which evidently would be insufficient to both stay on the existing mortgage and then cover your and childrens own housing needs. With a £25,000 or £50,000 deposit it would also mean the house you'd be able to afford would be broadly equal to one the ex could afford with a £150,000 / £175,000 deposit and her own limited mortgage raising capacity (4.5 times income) and/or shared ownership.
That would be the angle I'd combat her with - no emotions, just cold hard maths.
I'd also be sure to highlight the effect of the kids being at nursery/school and your having them 50/50, on your ex's capacity to work full time hours - thereby demonstrating it is a choice rather than a requirement.
She has started to see "someone else" now so I am hoping that he may offer a solution to her housing needs however I think she is going to dig in. To me the best outcome for all both emotionally and financially would be sell the house, pay out equity as per needs of each parent and we should both be able to afford a mortgage on a house close to each other so its minimum disruption for the children. A typical 3 bedroom house in our area is around £180-230k if she gets the majority of the equity then surely this would be a possible solution? I would be free from the mortgage and would be able to buy my own place and have no financial ties.
Glad to hear your so hands on when it comes to the kids - I'm a 60/40 Dad (my son spends 60% of the time with me) and I do find it often quite depressing when I speak to colleagues or other men who have essentially allowed their ex-wife to push them either out or minimise their involvement with the children - and I have absolutely no patience for the "bare minimum" Dad's - we live in the modern age and happily there is a growing % of children to separated parents who get to spend a far more equal portion of time with both parents - allowing the opportunity to develop better relationships.
Your ex sounds like she needs to get with the 21st century - the days of men being tied to marital homes paying for the house for the next 15 years whilst ex lives in it, consigning the father to a bed-sit and no where for their children, are happily becoming increasingly rare.
Who is your current mortgage with? If you go on their website, odds are they will have a mortgage calculator which will calculate how much can be borrowed. Play the role of your ex - in as realistic manner as you can with income and outgoings - and that should give you a pretty good idea of her mortgage raising capacity. If you contrast that to the average reasonable family-home (suitable to meet her needs) in proximity to the kids schools / where the marital home's currently located, that should give you a decent idea on the sort of equity she'll need to meet her housing needs. Evidence that for the mediation and/or court.
Ultimately - the aim for you is to be as reasonable and fair as you can be, whilst also ensuring that your interests are looked after. The court will move away from a 50/50 settlement - but only so far as is *necessary* to meet both parent's needs. If she's demanding that you remain tied to her for the next decade or 2, its on her to demonstrate why that is necessary - and its for you to prove that's an excessive demand.
Another thing in your shoes which I'd be doing is starting to catalogue reasonable houses in the area as they appear on Zoopla, Rightmove, onthemarket etc.... - screenshot the advertisement showing the price and location and perhaps the floorplan of the house and stick it onto a word document - including the date it first appears on the market and a link to the advertisement.
That way you start to build evidence to support your position that what the ex is demanding is excessive and unreasonable, by demonstrating what else is actually out there and has been available through the period of separation / dispute. This would hopefully also help demonstrate how unreasonable your ex is being with her demands.
If you are genuinely having the kids 70%, evidence it and speak to a solicitor ASAP - if that is the status quo and you and the kids are happy with it, in your shoes I'd potentially be seeking to keep that and moving forward as the main residential parent whilst ex becomes the non-resident parent - that means provided you have solid evidence, potentially appealing to HMRC to have the child benefit switched to yourself and Child-Maintenance payments made by Ex to yourself. It would also absolutely have a baring on the financial settlement if she's staying in the marital home with the kids there only 30% of the time, whilst for the other 70% they are with you elsewhere (In appropriate accommodation? Or is a bit of a squeeze?).
This approach would absolutely be inflammatory mind and could further strain relations, but ultimately if she's not the main parent - why should she be receiving the Child Benefit and Universal Credit Support (Its actually benefit fraud if she is!) AND demanding you pay for her housing needs for the next 16 years, whilst the kids live predominantly with you!!! Only you can make the call on whether it would be worth it.
The Ex absolutely needs tuning in (by an appropriate professional) - you paying 100% of the childcare, are you paying 100% of the mortgage costs for the marital home she lives in?.... whilst the kids stay 70% of the time with you? Speak to a solicitor ASAP on how best to start building your case with solid evidence.
She moved out whilst I was at work and broke the news she was leaving via a Facebook Messenger message.
I picked our son up the next day and a few days after that we met in neutral territory at a local pub, where her opening gambit was "i m going to need to have (son) more since I'll need child maintainance to survive off". My response was a "No" followed by my pointing out to her that I was just as involved as her - and that work had already authorised either a move to a Monday to Friday department or a flexible working agreement, which would allow me to meet my childcare agreements.
She agreed begrudgingly. She then further agreed to the house sale and a 50/50 split of equity & pensions - the only block was the mortgage, which due to tight finances I would struggle to cover on my own. We eventually agreed I'd cover the mortgage until its sale whilst ex would cover childcare fees. I thought we were sorted. Savings were split there and then 50/50, so that we would both have some modesr reserves in the short-term to meet our needs.
1 week later out of the blue she insisted on going to mediation - despite me asking her just to say what she wanted so I could decide if I'd agree to it or to counter offer - saving us all the costs involved. Turns out she'd had a free session with a solicitor...
Anyway, 4 mediation sessions & 4 months later, our house sale was nearing completion. I'd offered on a 3 bed semi myself in order to port the mortgage & thus save us paying a £11,500 early repayment fee - but there was no agreement in sight.
Ex was adamant she couldn't increase her hours past 3 days a week, despite by that point me having our son about 55% of the time & his childcare fee being for 45.5hours a week at nursery... (he rarely did that due to my having rest days during the week & keeping him home!)
Eventually we settled on a 41/59 split of the equity in her favour, but that extra equity was offset against its equal share of the pension transfer value she would get from my pension - reducing it from a 34% to a 18% share.
House sale completed & purchase went through with the mortgage ported, saving the £11,500 early repayment charge fees, which were then split 41/59. Of course, ex never realised the mortgage being ported meant I managed to carry over £187,500 at a 2.84% interest rate, locked in until June 2031... the top up mortgage for the remaining amount by comparison was 6%+, saving me 3.13%+ interest every year in repayments (worth around £5,868 a year on that £187,500).
I also don't think she considered that my accrued pension, due to my being in the emergency services, is inflation linked - meaning in the long run that extra share of pension i managed to hold onto will be worth substantially more than its equivilant equity value (particularly since due to my pension arrangements remaining broadly intact, I was able to maximise my mortgage over 40 years until 74years old - reducing the monthly payments & boosting current disposable income - which with a mortgage of 2.84%, means I can put far more into higher interest saving accounts).
Of course I failed to account that in the 5months the house was selling with me covering 100% of the mortgage, ex was paying 100% of the childcare fee's (& not contributing to the mortgage) but then claiming 85% of them back via universal credit - which given we were paying for 45.5hours a week of childcare, added up to a tidy sum (which she only declared as she entered her saving details into the financial agreement - she'd declined entirely to do financial disclosure during mediation). So... swings and roundabouts i guess!
Despite the agreement via mediation, it did still cost £3,500 in solicitor bills to get the financial agreement finalised - predominantly due to back & forth between them over admin. Pension fee's for sharing order was £850, mediation around £800-£900 total.
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Ex did try to play silly games in the forst 6 months, ripping up our agreement on our son 4 times - never outright trying to go past 50/50, but trying to reschedule the days we had him to suit her needs and make it as awkward as possible for me, probably hoping I wouldn't be able to meet my commitments and thus reduce time with him, making me liable for child maintainance... Eventually she stopped messing around and we've been amicable ever since.
I was advised by my solicitor I was on the cusp of Spousal Maintainance BTW at £46,000 whilst Ex was on £15,000 - this was in 2023.
Since then I now have my son as standard 16 out of every 28 days and nights, plus additional ad-hoc days i.e. ex going on holiday - this is due to recent mental health diagnosis, with her asking for help.
Currently since the seperation, I've had our son 59% of the days/nights to-date - i keep a spreadsheet to document it. Also responsible for all his dermatology appointments and have taken him to 6 out of his 8 hearing tests/ speech appointments. He's registered at mine for doctors and School, which he starts in 3 weeks time.
The whole process wasn't easy - there were times where if I'd have lost my cool we could have easily spiralled into blazing arguments, but the important thing was clinging onto civility knowing i have to work with her for the next 16 years (son was 2 at the time!!!). That's paid off now since its a lot less stress!
Ex brought a brand new shared ownership 3 bed semi with the £65,000 equity (59%) she got from our house sale and lives about 7miles away from our sons School - think she has a small mortgage with a 40 or 50% share of the property, paying rent on the remaining but then getting paid housing allowance via universal credit for it...
Overall, our son has 2 stable homes with parents who can be polite and decent to one another - but it could easily have gone the other way during the tense moments...
An example - the mediator pointed out to me my buying a 3 bed semi could be questioned in court - why do I need a 3 bed and not make do with a smaller 2 bed, thus needing a smaller share of the equity, giving the ex more to draw on?
This was weighed against my pointing out the ex had an obligation to maximise her hours at work to better support herself - with her work at the time actively advertising for 2 more full time workers - the mediator merely addressed that as "well yes, thats what's meant to happen but no doubt her solicitor will argue what's in the future is a what if, but we're in the here and now...." - it should be noted at this time our son was in nursery 45.5hrs a week 5 days a week (& the ex's job was at his nursery!!!).
When i raised, repeatedly, that the ex had yet to give any financial disclosure (savings, pensions, mortgage raising capability etc...) it was never addressed by the mediator.
Taking the biscuits though was when the ex was demanding my log in details to the bank our mortgage was with and accusing me of being financially controlling because I refused to supply my login details...
....When I pointed out, repeatedly, that we each had our own login details, that she had long ago lost hers (she never bothered showing any interest in finances) and she would need to contact the bank who could supply her new ones, it was just glossed over - at no point did the mediator try to mediate that or shut her down in demanding I hand over *my* login details (last I checked demanding a partnee/ex's bank details is an example of financial control!!)
The icing on the cake was when I randomly got an email sent to me by the ex, where she had somehow accidentally forwarded on her solicitors email to her and the mediator, setting out their position and what they were aiming for. At no point had the mediator mentioned she was in correspondence with the ex's solicitor - the only 1 to 1 correspondence I had with the mediator was in the fact finding session she had to do with each of us (seperately).
So... yeah, the mediator was willing to give guidance and advice and "home truths", but by the end of the process I felt like it wasn't really done fairly.
Just my experience though.0
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