Motorists who DO NOT indicate when driving/Ignore Speed Warning Signs, Endangering law abiders

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If you are pedestrian or a vehicle driver or passenger, have you noticed just how many irresponsible drivers there are around you who just DO NOT indicate Or indicate at the last possible moment?
You have no idea what they plan to do!
Their thoughtlessness poses an enormous Danger for the other conscientious drivers & pedestrians who are a lot more tuned to the environment.
No doubt many of you have a Dashcam in your car and it records the many drivers in front of you who seem to be totally oblivious to other traffic users around them These are the people who think they know where they are going so why worry about the others.

Insurance companies should be made aware of these inconsiderate drivers and there should be a portal or website for all users where they can upload footage of these thoughtless drivers.




Then there are the portion of drivers who don't adhere to the speed limit which is particularly noticeable where there are Speed warning signs that illuminate as you approach them. 

• Speed Warning Signs:
  These are distinct from speed cameras and are designed to alert drivers to their current speed, often displaying it digitally if you are exceeding the speed limit. They serve as a deterrent and a reminder to slow down, without issuing a penalty. 
  
  Whilst on foot, I have noticed cars and lorries flying past the 30 miles frequently doing 35+. When I have raised this as a concern with my local council, they advised me they checked a few months worth of records of that specific Warning device and they did not have anyone exceed the limit.
  The strangest things is, whilst standing in the vicinity of such a camera for 15 minutes, I observed 6 vehicles exceeding that limit and not slowing down as they passed it.
  The use of these types of camera really are a pointless exercise as it is not deterring anyone. The law abiders will continue to follow the road speed limits as indicated by the road signs.
  
  So can the insurances companies and motoring organisations collaborate and create a website where footage of these unchecked perpetrators can be unloaded to facilitate accountability and make the roads safer for the rest of us.
  

mebu60

Something like the National Dash Cam Safety Portal that already exists or the Operation Snap portal, an online platform already provided by many UK police forces? 

Car_54

Who are these “motoring organisations”?

Both RAC an AA are now commercial breakdown operations, owned by investment companies.

Ectophile

The Royal Automobile Club still exists.  It's a private members' club, not the people you buy breakdown cover from.

Car_54

Ectophile said:

The Royal Automobile Club still exists.  It's a private members' club, not the people you buy breakdown cover from.

Indeed. And they don’t pretend to be a motoring organisation. 

RAC Motoring Services- the breakdown company- occasionally pontificates about such matters, but don’t (AFAIK) claim to speak for their “members”.

And there’s a charity called the RAC Foundation, who are answerable to nobody.

Stubod

The standard of driving in the UK seems to be at an all time low. 

I drive, ride a motorbike, cycle, and walk, and on pretty much every journey some numpty does something stupid that you have to make allowances for. (Main issue while walking, is nobody seems to be aware of the new "give way" priorities at junctions). 

I now drive / ride, cycle, walk assuming that everybody is out to get me, and try and compensate as much as I possibly can!!

Baldytyke88

Stubod said:

The standard of driving in the UK seems to be at an all time low. 

I drive, ride a motorbike, cycle, and walk, and on pretty much every journey some numpty does something stupid that you have to make allowances for. (Main issue while walking, is nobody seems to be aware of the new "give way" priorities at junctions). 

I now drive / ride, cycle, walk assuming that everybody is out to get me, and try and compensate as much as I possibly can!!

The updated code clarifies that:

    when people are crossing or waiting to cross at a junction, other traffic should give way
    if people have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road, the people crossing have priority and the traffic should give way
    people driving, riding a motorcycle or cycling must give way to people on a zebra crossing and people walking and cycling on a parallel crossing

But the above does make junctions very confusing; there could be numerous pedestrians and vehicles that need to know the rules, but they don't.

If I pull up at a traffic light and it turns green, the above would imply I should give way to pedestrians.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

prowla

In my town the rules at roundabouts appear to be:

1. If turning left, don't indicate.
2. If going straight on, indicate right to show you're not turning left (and let the indicators cancel themselves once you've exited).
3. If turning right, don't indicate (because you've run out of options).

Occasionally you get people who indicate correctly:

1. When taking the next exit, indicate left.
2. If going straight on, don't indicate (until #1).
3. If going right, indicate right (until #1).

And then there are:

1. The ones who just don't indicate at all (why should they care about anybody else?)

The problem is that you don't know which category any given driver belongs to, so it's all down to guesswork.

I'm convinced it must be driving instructors who are teaching it wrong, because the incorrect way is just too prevalent.

facade

Baldytyke88 said:

The updated code clarifies that:

    when people are crossing or waiting to cross at a junction, other traffic should give way
    if people have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road, the people crossing have priority and the traffic should give way
    people driving, riding a motorcycle or cycling must give way to people on a zebra crossing and people walking and cycling on a parallel crossing

But the above does make junctions very confusing; there could be numerous pedestrians and vehicles that need to know the rules, but they don't.

If I pull up at a traffic light and it turns green, the above would imply I should give way to pedestrians.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

You obviously can't run people over!

It is fairly simple, you just have to treat pedestrians as if they were vehicles. You wouldn't turn across the path of a moving vehicle, so you don't turn across the path of a moving pedestrian either.

All you have to do is look, see the pedestrian walking towards the junction and give way if you won't clear it before they get to it.

The problem is most drivers never look at the pavement, they are too preoccupied with trying to career into a junction on two wheels virtually under the front wheels of an oncoming car.

Then when they realise there are pedestrians in the road they emergency stop and start shouting at the pedestrians who were there to be seen all the time....

The earliest Highway code I have is the 1959 edition. 

Rule 26 : "when turning at a road junction, give way to pedestrians who are crossing"  

What could be simpler?

By 2021 it had become more complicated and oddly specific- it only applied when you were turning into a sidestreet

Rule 170: Watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way

The latest revision reverts to the 1959 rule, but makes it more wordy!

Rule 170: give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way

prowla

Baldytyke88 said:

Stubod said:

The standard of driving in the UK seems to be at an all time low. 

I drive, ride a motorbike, cycle, and walk, and on pretty much every journey some numpty does something stupid that you have to make allowances for. (Main issue while walking, is nobody seems to be aware of the new "give way" priorities at junctions). 

I now drive / ride, cycle, walk assuming that everybody is out to get me, and try and compensate as much as I possibly can!!

The updated code clarifies that:

    when people are crossing or waiting to cross at a junction, other traffic should give way
    if people have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road, the people crossing have priority and the traffic should give way
    people driving, riding a motorcycle or cycling must give way to people on a zebra crossing and people walking and cycling on a parallel crossing

But the above does make junctions very confusing; there could be numerous pedestrians and vehicles that need to know the rules, but they don't.

If I pull up at a traffic light and it turns green, the above would imply I should give way to pedestrians.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

facade said:

Baldytyke88 said:

The updated code clarifies that:

    when people are crossing or waiting to cross at a junction, other traffic should give way
    if people have started crossing and traffic wants to turn into the road, the people crossing have priority and the traffic should give way
    people driving, riding a motorcycle or cycling must give way to people on a zebra crossing and people walking and cycling on a parallel crossing

But the above does make junctions very confusing; there could be numerous pedestrians and vehicles that need to know the rules, but they don't.

If I pull up at a traffic light and it turns green, the above would imply I should give way to pedestrians.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-code-8-changes-you-need-to-know-from-29-january-2022

You obviously can't run people over!

It is fairly simple, you just have to treat pedestrians as if they were vehicles. You wouldn't turn across the path of a moving vehicle, so you don't turn across the path of a moving pedestrian either.

All you have to do is look, see the pedestrian walking towards the junction and give way if you won't clear it before they get to it.

The problem is most drivers never look at the pavement, they are too preoccupied with trying to career into a junction on two wheels virtually under the front wheels of an oncoming car.

Then when they realise there are pedestrians in the road they emergency stop and start shouting at the pedestrians who were there to be seen all the time....

The earliest Highway code I have is the 1959 edition. 

Rule 26 : "when turning at a road junction, give way to pedestrians who are crossing"  

What could be simpler?

By 2021 it had become more complicated and oddly specific- it only applied when you were turning into a sidestreet

Rule 170: Watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way

The latest revision reverts to the 1959 rule, but makes it more wordy!

Rule 170: give way to pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way

Note that the HC is not the law; it states that in the introduction.

It also states that it gives a reference to the respective law in its "must" assertions, but some of them are incorrect.

Thus it's a guide for commonsense, respectful road use, but it is not rules per-se.

born_again

prowla said:

In my town the rules at roundabouts appear to be:

1. If turning left, don't indicate.
2. If going straight on, indicate right to show you're not turning left (and let the indicators cancel themselves once you've exited).
3. If turning right, don't indicate (because you've run out of options).

Occasionally you get people who indicate correctly:

1. When taking the next exit, indicate left.
2. If going straight on, don't indicate (until #1).
3. If going right, indicate right (until #1).

And then there are:

1. The ones who just don't indicate at all (why should they care about anybody else?)

The problem is that you don't know which category any given driver belongs to, so it's all down to guesswork.

I'm convinced it must be driving instructors who are teaching it wrong, because the incorrect way is just too prevalent.

No indication, then you do not move till you know where they are going. 👍