Money Moral Dilemma: Should I pay half the parking 'fine' my husband got giving my parents a lift?

newsgroupmonkey_

itgoodson said:

If you're married, surely when one pays the other pays? I don't get it.

I certainly don't have a joint account. I'm very happily married. What's mine is mine, what's hers is hers.
And its her (who earns less) that insisted on this arrangement.

Clearly, we have joint costs and she puts an amount of money into my account every month to cover these.

Coupon-mad

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

Half_way said:

The correct answer is not to pay the parking charge if issued on private land do not pay the scammers.

Instead you read up on the advice on this forum ad see the thing off.

 

You then tell all the others in the car, friends etc about this scam and this forum and how to beat them.

The only moral issue would be if you are stupid enough to pay, and then you are helping the parking industry to prey upon the vulnerable

Just as an aside, our company car policy says this:

You must:
• pay for all parking fines, fees or penalties, speeding fines, bus lane fines and any other fines
issued to you during the term of the Agreement relating to the Vehicle or your use of the
Vehicle including those which result from motoring offences, violation or traffic or parking

regulations;

If you do not pay these amounts then we will pay them on your behalf and we will

recharge this cost to you together with an administration fee of £10 plus VAT

So your information isn't quite correct.

But  @Half_way  is correct.

None of the above includes private parking charges (scam invoices).

That list is only about fines and penalties.

Thorndorise

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

Half_way said:

The correct answer is not to pay the parking charge if issued on private land do not pay the scammers.

Instead you read up on the advice on this forum ad see the thing off.

 

You then tell all the others in the car, friends etc about this scam and this forum and how to beat them.

The only moral issue would be if you are stupid enough to pay, and then you are helping the parking industry to prey upon the vulnerable

Just as an aside, our company car policy says this:

You must:
• pay for all parking fines, fees or penalties, speeding fines, bus lane fines and any other fines
issued to you during the term of the Agreement relating to the Vehicle or your use of the
Vehicle including those which result from motoring offences, violation or traffic or parking

regulations;

If you do not pay these amounts then we will pay them on your behalf and we will

recharge this cost to you together with an administration fee of £10 plus VAT

So your information isn't quite correct.

None of those apply to Private companies issuing Parking Charge Notices as they are not penalties nor fines, I'm sure @Half_Way doesn't mind

Sorry update what @Coupon-mad said! 

fisherjim

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

Half_way said:

The correct answer is not to pay the parking charge if issued on private land do not pay the scammers.

Instead you read up on the advice on this forum ad see the thing off.

 

You then tell all the others in the car, friends etc about this scam and this forum and how to beat them.

The only moral issue would be if you are stupid enough to pay, and then you are helping the parking industry to prey upon the vulnerable

Just as an aside, our company car policy says this:

You must:
• pay for all parking fines, fees or penalties, speeding fines, bus lane fines and any other fines
issued to you during the term of the Agreement relating to the Vehicle or your use of the
Vehicle including those which result from motoring offences, violation or traffic or parking

regulations;

If you do not pay these amounts then we will pay them on your behalf and we will

recharge this cost to you together with an administration fee of £10 plus VAT

So your information isn't quite correct.

@Half_way is totally correct, this isn't about; a fine, fee, penalty, speeding fine, bus lane fine or any other fine.

There is no motoring offence, violation or traffic or parking regulation involved.

This is a speculative invoice from a firm of unregulated chancers, would your company just pay up on any speculative invoice that dropped into your mail room with no previous contact, I doubt it?

Docsaibal

Private parking operators are all part of one Wild West club and every single one a cowboy outfit, without exception. I had parked at my gym and either forgot to enter my car reg on one occasion or had mistyped it (it was a new system and easy to forget to do). I challenged it. They asked me to prove that I was on legitimate business there. I sent them my current valid membership card and proof of my online booking for my swimming session. They turned me down and said I must still pay because it’s still my responsibility to have correctly entered my reg. So why make me go through this rigmarole when they were going to shoot me for making an honest mistake anyway? 

I’ve been with my current employer for over a year now and received no fewer than 4 parking tickets despite being a registered user of their car park. Again, having to go through the hassle of writing in and proving I wasn’t in the wrong. 

Finally, been fighting a parking ticket at a place I’d been parking in for 25 years without incident, because they recently brought in minute signage saying something nondescript like pay on arrival. At dusk that signage becomes invisible. I sent in pictures proving it and demonstrating there was nowhere obvious to actually pay. Been pwnding since last October and counting. 

I wish one of the politicians seeking election would make make a manifesto pledge to outlaw these cowboys altogether. They’ve had decades to civilise themselves and have become more monstrously inhuman with time and lack of robust legal challenge. They have the public at their mercy like a tinpot dictator, and we continue to allow this tyranny. Why?

Coupon-mad

Docsaibal said:

Private parking operators are all part of one Wild West club and every single one a cowboy outfit, without exception. I had parked at my gym and either forgot to enter my car reg on one occasion or had mistyped it (it was a new system and easy to forget to do). I challenged it. They asked me to prove that I was on legitimate business there. I sent them my current valid membership card and proof of my online booking for my swimming session. They turned me down and said I must still pay because it’s still my responsibility to have correctly entered my reg. So why make me go through this rigmarole when they were going to shoot me for making an honest mistake anyway? 

I’ve been with my current employer for over a year now and received no fewer than 4 parking tickets despite being a registered user of their car park. Again, having to go through the hassle of writing in and proving I wasn’t in the wrong. 

Finally, been fighting a parking ticket at a place I’d been parking in for 25 years without incident, because they recently brought in minute signage saying something nondescript like pay on arrival. At dusk that signage becomes invisible. I sent in pictures proving it and demonstrating there was nowhere obvious to actually pay. Been pwnding since last October and counting. 

I wish one of the politicians seeking election would make make a manifesto pledge to outlaw these cowboys altogether. They’ve had decades to civilise themselves and have become more monstrously inhuman with time and lack of robust legal challenge. They have the public at their mercy like a tinpot dictator, and we continue to allow this tyranny. Why?

But the Government is already doing that (not to outlaw them altogether but to curtail their worst conduct).

I helped create the statutory Code of Practice for the last Government (stopped by a Judicial Review and the stupidly timed General Election) and this statutory regulation is about to be relaunched this summer. 

newsgroupmonkey_

Thorndorise said:

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

Half_way said:

The correct answer is not to pay the parking charge if issued on private land do not pay the scammers.

Instead you read up on the advice on this forum ad see the thing off.

 

You then tell all the others in the car, friends etc about this scam and this forum and how to beat them.

The only moral issue would be if you are stupid enough to pay, and then you are helping the parking industry to prey upon the vulnerable

Just as an aside, our company car policy says this:

You must:
• pay for all parking fines, fees or penalties, speeding fines, bus lane fines and any other fines
issued to you during the term of the Agreement relating to the Vehicle or your use of the
Vehicle including those which result from motoring offences, violation or traffic or parking

regulations;

If you do not pay these amounts then we will pay them on your behalf and we will

recharge this cost to you together with an administration fee of £10 plus VAT

So your information isn't quite correct.

None of those apply to Private companies issuing Parking Charge Notices as they are not penalties nor fines, I'm sure @Half_Way doesn't mind

Sorry update what @Coupon-mad said! 

That's great. But I'm pretty sure our fleet company will pay any "speculative invoice" or whatever you want to call it.

fisherjim

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

Thorndorise said:

newsgroupmonkey_ said:

Half_way said:

The correct answer is not to pay the parking charge if issued on private land do not pay the scammers.

Instead you read up on the advice on this forum ad see the thing off.

 

You then tell all the others in the car, friends etc about this scam and this forum and how to beat them.

The only moral issue would be if you are stupid enough to pay, and then you are helping the parking industry to prey upon the vulnerable

Just as an aside, our company car policy says this:

You must:
• pay for all parking fines, fees or penalties, speeding fines, bus lane fines and any other fines
issued to you during the term of the Agreement relating to the Vehicle or your use of the
Vehicle including those which result from motoring offences, violation or traffic or parking

regulations;

If you do not pay these amounts then we will pay them on your behalf and we will

recharge this cost to you together with an administration fee of £10 plus VAT

So your information isn't quite correct.

None of those apply to Private companies issuing Parking Charge Notices as they are not penalties nor fines, I'm sure @Half_Way doesn't mind

Sorry update what @Coupon-mad said! 

That's great. But I'm pretty sure our fleet company will pay any "speculative invoice" or whatever you want to call it.

That's because they are lazy and inefficient just taking the easy route.

I ran a department with a fleet of 20 vehicles, they were owned by one of the largest fleet operators going, we did not allow that to happen.

I had one vehicle that got a bus lane ticket in Camden at 3:45PM, 15minutes before the bus lane started and the fleet company paid it automatically then demanded my company deducted from his salary.

I told them their problem not ours, fight it out with the council, the employee had no opportunity to his right of appeal due to their bad administration. They lost!

It's not about paying blindly it's about taking on the problem, and the fleet monkeys need to accept that the driver has that right and responsibility, they cannot take on a speeding ticket and just pay it, so they can do it right if they have to.

Why you just fold and accept this is beyond me!

Kaizen2024

That's because they are lazy and inefficient just taking the easy route.

Or because they don’t get so hung up on what something is called. 

Seriously, the criticism that the regulars give to people new to this type of thing for using the incorrect terminology is both unnecessary and petty.

You guys know what they mean, give them a break or keep quiet.

Thorndorise

Kaizen2024 said:

That's because they are lazy and inefficient just taking the easy route.

Or because they don’t get so hung up on what something is called. 

Seriously, the criticism that the regulars give to people new to this type of thing for using the incorrect terminology is both unnecessary and petty.

You guys know what they mean, give them a break or keep quiet.

Getting 'hung up' on something is useful for two counts, firstly as one is a point of legal matters, a P Charge Notice is neither a penalty nor fine, so semantics actually matter, secondly it's about educating the everyday person that isn't a regular that these aren't held in the same regard as said penalties or fines.

It's not about being horrible to anyone, it's an education....as @fisherjimhas clearly said above.