URGENT HELP SON DISCIPLINARY MEETING

Marcon

chubsta said:

I presume they stated what the evidence was?

They don't have to - but like others on this thread, I'm sorry that was the outcome.

Grumpy_chap

Sorry to hear that outcome.

happyc84

Sorry to hear the outcome, but the Garage shouldn't be asking teenagers to drive high performance cars on trade plates. Don't RAMS apply here. Risk assessment Method statement. If I was the customer and had seen my car driven inappropriately I would complain to help them avoid the risk in future.

EnPointe

happyc84 said:

Sorry to hear the outcome, but the Garage shouldn't be asking teenagers to drive high performance cars on trade plates. Don't RAMS apply here. Risk assessment Method statement. If I was the customer and had seen my car driven inappropriately I would complain to help them avoid the risk in future.

why shouldn't the Garage be asking that ?   an 18 year old  Probationary Police Constable  or  an 18 year old Student Ambulance  Technician  can be trained and  then will  Drive  under Emergency conditions 
 
there are questions about training - but it;s also an attitudinal thing as   garage staff  should be driving  carefully and considerately   regardless  ,  it;s the sort of thing were a  team building jolly  to   go and do some fast laps at circuit  or to go carting etc  might help  the  y teram burn off some ofthe need ot Hoon  

chubsta

EnPointe said:

happyc84 said:

Sorry to hear the outcome, but the Garage shouldn't be asking teenagers to drive high performance cars on trade plates. Don't RAMS apply here. Risk assessment Method statement. If I was the customer and had seen my car driven inappropriately I would complain to help them avoid the risk in future.

why shouldn't the Garage be asking that ?   an 18 year old  Probationary Police Constable  or  an 18 year old Student Ambulance  Technician  can be trained and  then will  Drive  under Emergency conditions 
 
there are questions about training - but it;s also an attitudinal thing as   garage staff  should be driving  carefully and considerately   regardless  ,  it;s the sort of thing were a  team building jolly  to   go and do some fast laps at circuit  or to go carting etc  might help  the  y teram burn off some ofthe need ot Hoon  

Staying away from the original post in this case as we don't really know what happened, you kind of answered the question yourself there - a police officer or ambulance technician 'can be trained and then will drive under emergency conditions'. That is a hell of a lot different to giving a high-performance car to a teenager with no training whatsoever, to go out on their own completely unsupervised, in fact to do so could even be a case of 'contributory negligence' where a layman would reasonably say that it is a very bad idea to do so! Putting temptation into the hands of a teenager is not a good idea. To say that perhaps the garage should pay them to have a day on a race track to get it out of their system is ridiculous - if an employer feels that is necessary then they should review their recruitment policies.

Undervalued

chubsta said:

EnPointe said:

happyc84 said:

Sorry to hear the outcome, but the Garage shouldn't be asking teenagers to drive high performance cars on trade plates. Don't RAMS apply here. Risk assessment Method statement. If I was the customer and had seen my car driven inappropriately I would complain to help them avoid the risk in future.

why shouldn't the Garage be asking that ?   an 18 year old  Probationary Police Constable  or  an 18 year old Student Ambulance  Technician  can be trained and  then will  Drive  under Emergency conditions 
 
there are questions about training - but it;s also an attitudinal thing as   garage staff  should be driving  carefully and considerately   regardless  ,  it;s the sort of thing were a  team building jolly  to   go and do some fast laps at circuit  or to go carting etc  might help  the  y teram burn off some ofthe need ot Hoon  

Staying away from the original post in this case as we don't really know what happened, you kind of answered the question yourself there - a police officer or ambulance technician 'can be trained and then will drive under emergency conditions'. That is a hell of a lot different to giving a high-performance car to a teenager with no training whatsoever, to go out on their own completely unsupervised, in fact to do so could even be a case of 'contributory negligence' where a layman would reasonably say that it is a very bad idea to do so! Putting temptation into the hands of a teenager is not a good idea. To say that perhaps the garage should pay them to have a day on a race track to get it out of their system is ridiculous - if an employer feels that is necessary then they should review their recruitment policies.

Equally the garage in this case may have provided appropriate training and repeatedly impressed on staff that they are required to drive customers' cars with great care? That might be why they took this complaint so seriously?

We just don't know....