Leasehold property information availability

AlphaCentauri

Hi, 

I'm looking to find out information about my property's legal title.  It's a rented property.  I have a tenancy agreement with my landlord (20+ years).

I've purchased a copy of the title from the property register.  It's a leasehold flat, which I rent from my landlord.  However, all it states is the freeholder and the leaseholder(my landlord) is listed as a number.  I'm looking for an actual name which proves the property belongs to her.

The freeholder is hard to contact and unreliable.  Is there any other public resource I can search to get more details?  Thanks.

user1977

AlphaCentauri said:

I've purchased a copy of the title from the property register.

Which title? A leasehold property will (usually) have a registered title for the freehold and a separate one for the leasehold. It sounds like you're looking only at the freehold one.

AlphaCentauri

user1977 said:

AlphaCentauri said:

I've purchased a copy of the title from the property register.

Which title? A leasehold property will (usually) have a registered title for the freehold and a separate one for the leasehold. It sounds like you're looking only at the freehold one.

Yes, on the register, there's 2 listings as you described.  The copy I have is the 'leasehold'.  It shows the 'Registered Owners...' as the freeholder and then it lists lessees, who aren't named but have letter/numbers references.

There's a title number for the 'plot' 'NGL...' and then sub numbers for the lessees.

user1977

Perhaps a head lease situation then where there are three layers of ownership - freehold, head lease and "your" leaseholder actually has a sublease. A redacted copy of what you're looking at might help.

AlphaCentauri

Perhaps a head lease situation then where there are three layers of ownership - freehold, head lease and "your" leaseholder actually has a sublease.

Yes, that makes sense.

I wish you hadn't asked for an edited redacted copy.  Will post later or tomorrow - if the site allows it.

AlphaCentauri

Search for land and property information

Title register for:

ADDRESS (Leasehold)

Title number: XXXXXX

This information can change if we receive an application. This service can not tell you if HM Land Registry are dealing with an application.

This is not an official copy. It does not take into account if there’s a pending application with HM Land Registry. If you need to prove property ownership, for example, for a court case, you’ll need to order an official copy of the register.

Register summary

Title number

XXXXXXX

Registered owners

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Last sold for

No price recorded

A: Property Register

This register describes the land and estates comprised in this title.

Entry number

Entry date

XXXXX The Leasehold land shown edged with red on the

1

1970-01-22

plan of the above Title filed at the Registry and being XXXXXXXX

2

1970-01-22

Short particulars of the lease(s) (or under-lease(s)) under which the land is held: Date : 30 December 1969 Term : 1,992 years from 25 March 1969 Rent : £5 Parties : XXXXXXXXXX

3

An Agreement supplemental to the registered Lease dated 30 December 1969 made between (1)XXXXX

4

purchase the reversion contained in the Agreement dated 30 December 1969 referred to above.

5

The land edged and numbered in green on the filed plan has been removed from this title and registered under the title number or numbers shown in green on the said plan.

6

By a Transfer of the land edged and numbered XXXXX

7

The lessor's title is registered.

8

Unless otherwise mentioned the title includes any legal easements granted by the registered lease(s) but is subject to any rights that it reserves, so far as those easements and rights exist and benefit or affect the registered land.

B: Proprietorship Register

This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number

Entry date

PROPRIETOR: XXXXXX

1

1970-01-22

XXXXXXXXXXXX

2

RESTRICTION: Except under an order of the registrar no charge by the proprietor of the land is to be registered unless a certificate signed by the secretary, the solicitor or a director thereof has been furnished that such charge does not contravene any of the provisions of the memorandum and articles of association of the said proprietor.

C: Charges Register

This register contains any charges and other matters that affect the land.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number

Entry date

The land is subject to the following rights reserved by a Conveyance of the freehold estate in the land in this title and other land dated XXXXX

1

Purchasers or other the owner or owners occupier or occupiers for the time being of the said property hereby conveyed to deal in any manner whatsoever with any of the said adjoining or neighbouring property and to erect and maintain or suffer to be erected or maintained on such land any buildings whatsoever whether such buildings shall or shall not affect or diminish the light or air which may now or at any time or times hereafter be enjoyed for or in respect of the said property hereby conveyed or any buildings for the time being thereon."

2

The land numbered 4 on the filed plan is subject to rights of drainage and rights in respect of water, gas and electricity supply services and rights of support.

3

The parts of the land affected thereby are subject to the leases set out in the schedule of leases hereto. The leases grant and reserve easements as therein mentioned.

4

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 1 Property Description : XXXXXX Date of Lease : 06.03.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXX

AlphaCentauri

Like I said at the beginning, the Lessee's Title: XXXXX is a number (my landlord).  I need the paperwork to show a name.  Where can I find this if not on the property register?

AlphaCentauri

Presumably the freeholder are legally obliged to answer my request for this information.  What can I cite so that they take notice?

eddddy

AlphaCentauri said:

Presumably the freeholder are legally obliged to answer my request for this information.  What can I cite so that they take notice?

No - the freeholder is not generally required to answer any of your questions, or provide you with any information.

What is the information that you want?



The title you've transcribed appears to be a head lease, so based on what you've said, it sounds like the structure is likely to be something like this:

1. Freeholder
2. Head leaseholder (the owner of the head lease that you transcribed)
3. Under leaseholder (your landlord)
4. Tenant (you)

You have a tenancy agreement with the Under Leaseholder (your landlord), so they have responsibilities towards you - but you have no legal agreement with the people at levels 1 or 2, so they are not generally required to have any dealings with you.

AlphaCentauri

I applied for a scheme for upgrades to my private rented property.  The survey was carried out and I was told I qualified.  However, my landlord's name is not stated on the property title register and so the scheme is stalling with final approval.  The landlord is only listed with a reference on the register. One proof I have is an invoice for ground rent from the head leaseholder to my landlord (the under leaseholder).  Technically, this confirms the relationship and their ownership of the under lease but I don't know if this is enough for the scheme as they seem to care only about the entry on the property register.  Anyway, I'm trying to get further documentation from my landlord.  Presumably I can request proof of legal ownership from them?  What would I need say?  I'm worried the scheme may not authorise the upgrades.

theartfullodger

You don't have to own a property to be landlord.  Just have the right to be LL.  He might have a tenancy from actual owner granting him right to let it out (quite common).

I'd write your "landlord" a calm polite letter saying what you've found and asking for clarification.

He could be a crook... He wouldn't be the first by any means ... Quite a common fraud is getting copy of keys somehow then signing up multiple punters and taking rent & deposit....

Real owner might be v grateful 

Good luck...