Leasehold property information availability

AlphaCentauri

I don't think you fully understand the entry because I've already copy and pasted most of the information - the bits that are relevant.

user1977

You haven’t downloaded the full information for your landlord’s lease. Go back to HM Land Registry and get it.

AlphaCentauri

user1977 said:

You haven’t downloaded the full information for your landlord’s lease. Go back to HM Land Registry and get it.

I purchased a copy of the title register.  I'll post a complete redacted copy for you.

AlphaCentauri

user1977 said:

You haven’t downloaded the full information for your landlord’s lease. Go back to HM Land Registry and get it.

Search for land and property information

Title register for:

ADDRESS (Leasehold)

Title number: XXXXXXXXXX

This information can change if we receive an application. This service can not tell you if HM Land Registry are dealing with an application.

This is not an official copy. It does not take into account if there’s a pending application with HM Land Registry. If you need to prove property ownership, for example, for a court case, you’ll need to order an official copy of the register.

Register summary

Title number

XXXXXXXXXX

Registered owners

XXXXXXXXXX LIMITED

XXXXXXXXXXLondon XXXXXXXXXX 

Last sold for

No price recorded

A: Property Register

This register describes the land and estates comprised in this title.

Entry number

Entry date

XXXXXXXXXX The Leasehold land shown edged with red on the

1

1970-01-22

plan of the above Title filed at the Registry and being XXXXXXXXXX

2

1970-01-22

Short particulars of the lease(s) (or under-lease(s)) under which the land is held: Date : 30 December 1969 Term : 1,992 years from 25 March 1969 Rent : £5 Parties : XXXXXXXXXX

3

An Agreement supplemental to the registered Lease dated 30 December 1969 made between XXXXXXXXXX

4

purchase the reversion contained in the Agreement dated 30 December 1969 referred to above.

5

The land edged and numbered in green on the filed plan has been removed from this title and registered under the title number or numbers shown in green on the said plan.

6

By a Transfer of the land edged and numbered XXXXXXXXXX 

7

The lessor's title is registered.

8

Unless otherwise mentioned the title includes any legal easements granted by the registered lease(s) but is subject to any rights that it reserves, so far as those easements and rights exist and benefit or affect the registered land.

B: Proprietorship Register

This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number

Entry date

PROPRIETOR: XXXXXXXXXX

1

1970-01-22

XXXXXXXXXX.

2

RESTRICTION: Except under an order of the registrar no charge by the proprietor of the land is to be registered unless a certificate signed by the secretary, the solicitor or a director thereof has been furnished that such charge does not contravene any of the provisions of the memorandum and articles of association of the said proprietor.

C: Charges Register

This register contains any charges and other matters that affect the land.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number

Entry date

The land is subject to the following rights reserved by a Conveyance of the freehold estate in the land in this title and other land dated XXXXXXXXXX "EXCEPT NEVERTHELESS AND RESERVING unto the Commissioners and their successors in title the owner or owners for the time being of the adjoining and neighbouring property now owned by the Commissioners (a) The free flow of water and soil from any such adjoining land through any sewers drains and watercourses now existing in or under the said property hereby conveyed or substituted therefor (b) Full and free right and liberty without obtaining the consent of or making any compensation to the

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Purchasers or other the owner or owners occupier or occupiers for the time being of the said property hereby conveyed to deal in any manner whatsoever with any of the said adjoining or neighbouring property and to erect and maintain or suffer to be erected or maintained on such land any buildings whatsoever whether such buildings shall or shall not affect or diminish the light or air which may now or at any time or times hereafter be enjoyed for or in respect of the said property hereby conveyed or any buildings for the time being thereon."

2

The land numbered 4 on the filed plan is subject to rights of drainage and rights in respect of water, gas and electricitu supply services and rights of support.

3

The parts of the land affected thereby are subject to the leases set out in the schedule of leases hereto. The leases grant and reserve easements as therein mentioned.

4

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 1 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX: 06.03.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 2 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 22.08.1933 Term : 99 years from 26.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX NOTE 1: By a Deed dated 14 January 2000 made

5

between (1) XXXXXXXXXX

6

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 4 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 16.11.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

7

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 7 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX : 29.07.1936 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1934 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

8

Registration Date : 24.06.1974 Plan Reference : 9 Property Description :XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 26.04.1974 Term : 135 years from 24.6.1973 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

AlphaCentauri

My property is listed under the 'C: Charges Register' and there's a reference for my landlord, which I listed earlier.

AlphaCentauri

user1977 said:

You haven’t downloaded the full information for your landlord’s lease. Go back to HM Land Registry and get it.

I think you're mistaken.

I just repurchased the latest version of the title and all the information is the same.

Are you saying I need to order an official copy of the register - OC1 form?  I don't think there's any more information than what I've posted.

Tiglet2

AlphaCentauri said:

user1977 said:

You haven’t downloaded the full information for your landlord’s lease. Go back to HM Land Registry and get it.

Register summary

Title number

XXXXXXXXXX

Registered owners

XXXXXXXXXX LIMITED

XXXXXXXXXXLondon XXXXXXXXXX 

B: Proprietorship Register

This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number

Entry date

PROPRIETOR: XXXXXXXXXX

1

1970-01-22

XXXXXXXXXX.

2

C: Charges Register

4

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 1 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX: 06.03.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 2 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 22.08.1933 Term : 99 years from 26.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX NOTE 1: By a Deed dated 14 January 2000 made

5

between (1) XXXXXXXXXX

6

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 4 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 16.11.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

7

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 7 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX : 29.07.1936 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1934 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

8

Registration Date : 24.06.1974 Plan Reference : 9 Property Description :XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 26.04.1974 Term : 135 years from 24.6.1973 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

OP, is your property one of the listed titles in the Charges Register at points 4 - 8?  Which one? 

For example, let's suppose your property is number 6, if the Lessee's title number stated there is not the same as the title number for the register you are quoting from, then you need to obtain a copy of the register of the Lessee's title number listed at number 6 of the Charges Register.  That title will give you the name of the landlord/owner.

user1977

AlphaCentauri said:

My property is listed under the 'C: Charges Register' and there's a reference for my landlord, which I listed earlier.

What you've pasted is the title for the head lease. You need to download the title for the relevant sublease. That will give the details of what your landlord owns. 

eddddy

AlphaCentauri said:

I applied for a scheme for upgrades to my private rented property.  The survey was carried out and I was told I qualified.  However, my landlord's name is not stated on the property title register and so the scheme is stalling with final approval.  The landlord is only listed with a reference on the register. One proof I have is an invoice for ground rent from the head leaseholder to my landlord (the under leaseholder).  Technically, this confirms the relationship and their ownership of the under lease but I don't know if this is enough for the scheme as they seem to care only about the entry on the property register.  Anyway, I'm trying to get further documentation from my landlord.  Presumably I can request proof of legal ownership from them?  What would I need say?  I'm worried the scheme may not authorise the upgrades.

What kind of upgrades do you want to do?

Have you explained to the landlord that you need evidence of their ownership for the upgrades? If so, what did they say?

You'll probably need the involvement and cooperation of your landlord, so you might as well get them involved now.

• You'll probably need consent form your landlord.
• Your landlord will probably need consent form their landlord (the head leaseholder) 
• The head leaseholder might need consent from their landlord (the freeholder) 

And there can sometimes be big complications in getting consent to do work on a flat, For example...

• The lease might say "no alterations" - i.e. an absolute ban

• Or fees might be payable for considering applications for consent for alterations

• And/or your landlord probably doesn't own the external walls of the building - so that could be a problem if you need a hole for a boiler flue, pipework, etc.

But there is also some legislation that suggests that a landlord cannot refuse consent for "improvements", irrelevant of what a lease says - but it's not clear cut. Does the scheme you've applied to say anything about landlords' consent, etc?

AlphaCentauri

Tiglet2 said:

AlphaCentauri said:

user1977 said:

You haven’t downloaded the full information for your landlord’s lease. Go back to HM Land Registry and get it.

Register summary

Title number

XXXXXXXXXX

Registered owners

XXXXXXXXXX LIMITED

XXXXXXXXXXLondon XXXXXXXXXX 

B: Proprietorship Register

This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal.

Class of Title: Title absolute

Entry number

Entry date

PROPRIETOR: XXXXXXXXXX

1

1970-01-22

XXXXXXXXXX.

2

C: Charges Register

4

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 1 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX: 06.03.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 2 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 22.08.1933 Term : 99 years from 26.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX NOTE 1: By a Deed dated 14 January 2000 made

5

between (1) XXXXXXXXXX

6

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 4 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 16.11.1933 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1931 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

7

Registration Date : 22.01.1970 Plan Reference : 7 Property Description : XXXXXXXXXX : 29.07.1936 Term : 99 years from 24.6.1934 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

8

Registration Date : 24.06.1974 Plan Reference : 9 Property Description :XXXXXXXXXX Date of Lease : 26.04.1974 Term : 135 years from 24.6.1973 Lessee's Title : XXXXXXXXXX

OP, is your property one of the listed titles in the Charges Register at points 4 - 8?  Which one? 

For example, let's suppose your property is number 6, if the Lessee's title number stated there is not the same as the title number for the register you are quoting from, then you need to obtain a copy of the register of the Lessee's title number listed at number 6 of the Charges Register.  That title will give you the name of the landlord/owner.

Yes, my landlord is one of those.  There is NO further information on the Property Register other than what I have posted.