Double driver awareness course

born_again

Baldytyke88 said:

Hoenir said:

Has been proven that a 20 mph limit reduces both serious injury and death to pedestrians. That's why it's increasingly being imposed. 
 

Various things can reduce serious injury, such as metal barriers to make people cross in the correct place, limiting the speed of electric cycles and scooters, it would reduce serious injuries if motorways had a 20 mph speed limit, we need to set the correct speed limit for the road type and conditions.

More importantly people need to abide by them & not think that it does not apply to them/

Okell

Baldytyke88 said:

Hoenir said:

Has been proven that a 20 mph limit reduces both serious injury and death to pedestrians. That's why it's increasingly being imposed. 
 

Various things can reduce serious injury, such as metal barriers to make people cross in the correct place, limiting the speed of electric cycles and scooters, it would reduce serious injuries if motorways had a 20 mph speed limit, we need to set the correct speed limit for the road type and conditions.

Their speed is already limited isn't it?  But people find ways around it.

The problem is the police don't enforce the law so people think they can ignore it

Hoenir

Baldytyke88 said:

Hoenir said:

Has been proven that a 20 mph limit reduces both serious injury and death to pedestrians. That's why it's increasingly being imposed. 
 

Various things can reduce serious injury, such as metal barriers to make people cross in the correct place, limiting the speed of electric cycles and scooters, it would reduce serious injuries if motorways had a 20 mph speed limit, we need to set the correct speed limit for the road type and conditions.

In our locality someone was killed crossing the road last year in a 20 mph zone . Totally down to the driver. Peope who ignore the limits deserve what they get. Employers likewise should reinforce this message for those that drive vehicles belonging to their organisation. Then when rules get broken the employees suffer the consequences. 

Baldytyke88

Okell said:

Their speed is already limited isn't it?  But people find ways around it.

The problem is the police don't enforce the law so people think they can ignore it

I was talking to another of our drivers, he recently got a NIP for 24 in a 20mph about a mile from where I was snapped by a mobile speed camera van, the same town. Years ago I used to see mobile camera vans in other cities, but never in my town.

And the class that I did attend, there were 10 of us, so the Police have been proactive!

I found the course was more of a general course, not so much about speeding, but about my employers responsibilities.

Although I still believe the course was pointless, I didn't intend to speed and I am hoping not to do it again.

They did state that the local authority had a vision zero deaths policy and prosecuted drivers that are just 1mph over the limit. Not sure if that is true.

Car_54

Baldytyke88 said:

Okell said:

Their speed is already limited isn't it?  But people find ways around it.

The problem is the police don't enforce the law so people think they can ignore it

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They did state that the local authority had a vision zero deaths policy and prosecuted drivers that are just 1mph over the limit. Not sure if that is true.

It's not true. LAs don't police or prosecute speeding.

sheramber

Think of it as part of the consequences for speeding and not an extra course but an additional part of the punishment. 

If you had recently done your employer’s course would you be  thinking you should be able to refuse the police one?

If you don’t want the council to spend money on sending you on a course then don’t speed.

 

Hoenir

Baldytyke88 said:

Okell said:

Their speed is already limited isn't it?  But people find ways around it.

The problem is the police don't enforce the law so people think they can ignore it

And the class that I did attend, there were 10 of us, so the Police have been proactive!

Traffic police used to perform speed checks far more often than they do now. 

Okell

Baldytyke88 said:

Okell said:

Their speed is already limited isn't it?  But people find ways around it.

The problem is the police don't enforce the law so people think they can ignore it

I was talking to another of our drivers, he recently got a NIP for 24 in a 20mph about a mile from where I was snapped by a mobile speed camera van, the same town. Years ago I used to see mobile camera vans in other cities, but never in my town.

And the class that I did attend, there were 10 of us, so the Police have been proactive!

I found the course was more of a general course, not so much about speeding, but about my employers responsibilities.

Although I still believe the course was pointless, I didn't intend to speed and I am hoping not to do it again.

They did state that the local authority had a vision zero deaths policy and prosecuted drivers that are just 1mph over the limit. Not sure if that is true.

Nothing you've said there responds to the point I made - so I don't know why you are quoting me?

And as @Car_54 said, local authorities don't prosecute anybody for speeding, so what their vision is is irrelevant

Baldytyke88

Okell said:

Nothing you've said there responds to the point I made - so I don't know why you are quoting me?

And as @Car_54 said, local authorities don't prosecute anybody for speeding, so what their vision is is irrelevant

A room full of drivers that have been caught speeding, but you said the Police don't enforce the law.

Car_54

Baldytyke88 said:

Okell said:

Nothing you've said there responds to the point I made - so I don't know why you are quoting me?

And as @Car_54 said, local authorities don't prosecute anybody for speeding, so what their vision is is irrelevant

A room full of drivers that have been caught speeding, but you said the Police don't enforce the law.

If you re-read Okell's post, you'll find he was talking about ebikes and scooters, not car and van drivers.