PIP was 2nd claim with new conditions but from 15 April 2025 new 3rd claim as advised.

tifo

peteuk said:

There’s a massive difference between believing you are entitled to PIP and actually claiming PIP. 

Yes I agree the system is flawed but in reality if your eye sight is good enough to drive then it shouldn’t stop you from doing certain daily activities.  If you doctor told you your eye sight was too poor to drive then even then, you potentially can still do the majority of activities.  

Arthritis is difficult because it affects different people, differently.  So can you walk/stand for X distance/time.  Have you been referred to Orthopeadics?  Are you on any medication specific for arthritis?  All this evidence makes it easier for the assessor to write a scoring description than it does a nil point report. 

As you say BP is not concerned for PIP, but I disagree, what are the symptoms you experience.  This could add some further weight to an initial claim, obviously if your well controlled on medication then its likely to add nothing. 

"if your eye sight is good enough to drive then it shouldn’t stop you from doing certain daily activities".

Eyesight is not an issue here, I suffer from neovascular glaucoma, uveitus in my left eye from 2018 and it was severe for at least 8 - 12 months then moderate and mild. It'll stay like this until the eye comes out (my eye is deflating). When it was severe I was clearly unable to work (WCA) or carry out daily tasks effectively and mix with people etc (PIP) but the assessors gave 0 and 2 points and there were many lies in the reports.

All the above and more is in my thread for the WCA and PIP claims from 2019 and 2021.

In this claim, it's a condition that affects me but not the main basis.

 "Have you been referred to Orthopeadics?  Are you on any medication specific for arthritis?" 

In terms of osteoarthritis it's early days. I've received the diagnosis this week after blood tests and x rays etc.

"As you say BP is not concerned for PIP, but I disagree, what are the symptoms you experience.  This could add some further weight to an initial claim".

At the moment they're still investigating if symptoms like the pain in fingers is from high BP, a trapped nerve (GP said possible) or osteoarthritis. But it's not going away.

I've only gone on to BP medication this week.

tifo

TELLIT01 said:

I get the impression, hopefully wrongly, that the OP thinks that just having a condition on the list of those potentially entitling a person to PIP automatically means they will qualify, irrespective of how much that condition affects them.

That is absolutely not the case.  For example, I've had arthritis in both knees for many years following a motorcycle accident.  The knees are uncomfortable all the time, and quite painful some of the time.  I can still get about without the need for any artificial aids so would almost certainly not be at a level the qualify for PIP.

"I get the impression, hopefully wrongly, that the OP thinks that just having a condition on the list of those potentially entitling a person to PIP automatically means they will qualify".

No, I know PIP is about affect and not diagnosis, I've had several years of fighting with them 2021 - 2022. It's just that the assessors did not accept that my conditions affect me enough for PIP.

tifo

poppy12345 said:

tifo said:

Another example is a friend who suffers from an aggressive cancer, he says that others with him at the time got LCWRA and enhanced PIP for both, yet he did not get LCWRA and only the standard PIP and the chemo has destroyed other organs and body functions. 

 If you are currently receiving treatment for cancer by way of chemo or radiotherapy. Or likely to receive such treatment in the next 6 months or have been through treatment in the past 6 months then you're automatically entitled to LCWRA. https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/universal-credit-uc/uc-faq/limited-capability-for-work-related-activity

Did any of those apply when they filled out the form for the WCA? 

"Did any of those apply when they filled out the form for the WCA?".

Yes at the time it did apply, and his body has broken down more over the years ... but he didn't carry on with his UC claim as didn't want to jump through their hoops but concentrate on managing his cancer. He just didn't want to carry on with the hassle of a UC claim which he was getting.

HillStreetBlues

tifo said:

Hi, i have a thread on here from a previous claim which went up to tribunal but I wasn't successful. I still suffer from my eye conditions, gout and other issues but at the time the DWP and tribunal said they were not enough for a PIP award. I still disagree but anyway the judge said she doesn't believe me.

Recently i've been diagnosed with osteoarthritis in the knees, the left knee is stiff and limited in movement for the past month and the right knee is also stiff but not as much. I've had the x-rays etc and it could be due to age or gout which used to affect the left knee sometimes. I also now have pains in my fingers esp when I do tasks using them, for example keyboard. More so in the right hand.

My cholesterol is at 5 (2 years ago it was 5.5) and the GP says this is now considered high when previously it wasn't as they use different criteria and wants to put me on statins.

So, should I make another PIP claim? I see that the award success rate for osteoarthritis or generalised osteoarthritis is high at around 72%. My other conditions have not gone away as they're for life which I said in my previous claim, though my gout hasn't flared up much this year.

Thanks

Unless you change your way of thinking then I expect any new claim for PIP will failure.
Your OP is what I expect to read from someone that has never been though the process you have. You have talked about your condition, but nothing about what points you believe you should score. From what I remember your last PIP thread had the same issues.
“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

poppy12345

tifo said:

poppy12345 said:

tifo said:

Another example is a friend who suffers from an aggressive cancer, he says that others with him at the time got LCWRA and enhanced PIP for both, yet he did not get LCWRA and only the standard PIP and the chemo has destroyed other organs and body functions. 

 If you are currently receiving treatment for cancer by way of chemo or radiotherapy. Or likely to receive such treatment in the next 6 months or have been through treatment in the past 6 months then you're automatically entitled to LCWRA. https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/universal-credit-uc/uc-faq/limited-capability-for-work-related-activity

Did any of those apply when they filled out the form for the WCA? 

"Did any of those apply when they filled out the form for the WCA?".

Yes at the time it did apply, and his body has broken down more over the years ... but he didn't carry on with his UC claim as didn't want to jump through their hoops but concentrate on managing his cancer. He just didn't want to carry on with the hassle of a UC claim which he was getting.

Your words were "he didn't get LCWRA" now you say he didn't continue with his UC claim. 

With regards to your next PIP claim, I agree with Hillstreetblues and if you continue the way you are then likely you'll have another refusal. You seem to be fixed on a diagnosis. 

TELLIT01

Just a general observation, but the adverts you see which say things along the lines of "If you suffer from any of these conditions you can claim....." certainly don't help.  Anybody can claim any benefit they want but that doesn't mean they will get it.

Indie_Kid

tifo said:

teaselMay said:

I had a quick skim of your previous threads trying to understand where you're coming from OP and it's all very conflicted, you've an eye condition that you think means you should have LCWRA on UC and entitlement to PIP but it doesn't affect your driving? The fundamental thing to both UC and PIP is that they're not about diagnoses they're about what you can and can't do, i.e. how your health affects your function. Almost everyone over about 40, certainly 50, would have osteoarthritis if it were looked for, it means wear and tear. A tiny proportion of those people will be severely disabled by it. A stiff knee for a month won't entitle you to any points on PIP.

"you've an eye condition that you think means you should have LCWRA on UC and entitlement to PIP but it doesn't affect your driving".

No affect on driving unless it was very severe which it was for six months and I didn't drive much, because the eye condition is in my blind eye from childhood and doesn't affect the vision eye. At every hospital appointment they do an eye test which I pass.

As you're blind in one eye they'd expect you to use your other unaffected eye. I've got 40% vision corrected in my good eye. Despite this (and that's on a good day) it was decided I could drive. I've never passed the hospital eye test.

I had to do an MR for pip and thankfully did get an award. No such issues either time for ESA.

marcia_

TELLIT01 said:

Just a general observation, but the adverts you see which say things along the lines of "If you suffer from any of these conditions you can claim....." certainly don't help.  Anybody can claim any benefit they want but that doesn't mean they will get it.

 My local newspaper prints these articles almost weekly. They include a list of conditions that will get you £600+ a month. Of course people jump on it and apply not understanding that conditions or diagnosis don't matter. 

tifo

Indie_Kid said:

tifo said:

teaselMay said:

I had a quick skim of your previous threads trying to understand where you're coming from OP and it's all very conflicted, you've an eye condition that you think means you should have LCWRA on UC and entitlement to PIP but it doesn't affect your driving? The fundamental thing to both UC and PIP is that they're not about diagnoses they're about what you can and can't do, i.e. how your health affects your function. Almost everyone over about 40, certainly 50, would have osteoarthritis if it were looked for, it means wear and tear. A tiny proportion of those people will be severely disabled by it. A stiff knee for a month won't entitle you to any points on PIP.

"you've an eye condition that you think means you should have LCWRA on UC and entitlement to PIP but it doesn't affect your driving".

No affect on driving unless it was very severe which it was for six months and I didn't drive much, because the eye condition is in my blind eye from childhood and doesn't affect the vision eye. At every hospital appointment they do an eye test which I pass.

As you're blind in one eye they'd expect you to use your other unaffected eye. I've got 40% vision corrected in my good eye. Despite this (and that's on a good day) it was decided I could drive. I've never passed the hospital eye test.

I had to do an MR for pip and thankfully did get an award. No such issues either time for ESA.

Hi, my sight isn't a basis for my claim here and neither was before and driving was never an issue which came up for sight issues.

I mentioned it in reply and in my previous claim it was about how the conditions were affecting my eyes at that time.

tifo

marcia_ said:

TELLIT01 said:

Just a general observation, but the adverts you see which say things along the lines of "If you suffer from any of these conditions you can claim....." certainly don't help.  Anybody can claim any benefit they want but that doesn't mean they will get it.

 My local newspaper prints these articles almost weekly. They include a list of conditions that will get you £600+ a month. Of course people jump on it and apply not understanding that conditions or diagnosis don't matter. 

I see them all the time and don't believe them from my experience.