What TV to buy..

smallzoo2

RainbowsInTheSpray said:

RumRat said:

smallzoo2 said:

Thanks for the comments so far. I'm not looking at a Samsung just using them as an example of what size I can have ..sorry

Who are Cello ?

Cello are a British TV manufacturer based in the North East.....Usually bought by older people who still think that British made means it's the best.

Rant alert.

Speaking as one of these obviously past-it, older citizens, I've read through this thread with increasing amusement and especially chuckling at the amounts some people appear happy to shell out for an idiot screen in the corner of their lounge.

Sorry, but... four figures... really???

Are people now so anally obsessed with the precise, not-really-going-to-utterly-transform-your-life performance of said screen that they're willing to part with that much hard-earned dough? There are other forms of entertainment, you know.

No, I don't think that British is necessarily best... but I have heard of books, magazines, games, chatting...

I think that's a bit harsh. There is nothing wrong with looking for the best TV at a price brackets , it doesn't mean you are obsessed. I'm pleased that you like to read books etc that's honestly great for you but we are all different. We like watching football, films etc and we still are able to have a great family chat. I appreciate your comments though , everyone has a different perspective...cheers

smallzoo2

RumRat said:

400ixl said:

RumRat said:

You won't notice the absence of Dolby Vision on Samsung's HDR is everywhere, so don't discount because of that.

The Phillips will be the better of the two.
Not a fan of Ambilight, but it can be turned off if required. It's just LED lights on the back of the screen that illuminate according to what's on the screen. Some love it.

I guess if you don't have Dolby today you may not miss it as you don't know about it. If you have it, you will notice when its not available. HDR is not everywhere, quite a bit of content is not HDR encoded (equally quite a bit is not Dolby encoded), but you get far more coverage and better experience to having both. Personally I would always discount anything that doesn't have both, its not something to compromise on as it doesn't actually cost you anything to have both.

If you didn't know about 4K you wouldn't miss that either, but once you do you wouldn't not have it.

Ambilight is actually a really good solution for protecting your eyes. It removes the hard edges of the screen which relieves some of your eye strain and tiredness. Not essential but if it is there then it is good to use it. Its not just a gimmick, it has a real purpose.

A good forum to look at for information and opinions is https://www.avforums.com/forums/

Dolby Vision is only really worth having if you watch your media via Blu-ray, I have it on one of my TV's and obviously not on the Samsung and I have no problems with any of the streaming services on either. 
In fact the quality of the TV and how it handles it has much more impact on HDR than any of the competing formats (HDR 10, HDR10+ and DV) do.
Ambilight is a bit Marmite, as I said personally I don't like it and would have it set to one colour, which is achieved via my own TV lighting anyway. I don't think I suggested it was a 'gimmick', but thanks for the lecture.
 As for AVforums I gave that up after many years as the manufacturers were found to be influencing some reviews and their stuck up moderators. Personally I believe that reviews should be garnered from many sites as they all have their own biases.

We mainly watch films, sport etc on netflix, prime etc Dolby isn't important to us, just a good quality screen particularly one that will be as bright as possible in a light room or allow us to watch a film that's set at night and not have to guess whose talking lol... Cheers

400ixl

RumRat said:

Dolby Vision is only really worth having if you watch your media via Blu-ray, I have it on one of my TV's and obviously not on the Samsung and I have no problems with any of the streaming services on either. 
In fact the quality of the TV and how it handles it has much more impact on HDR than any of the competing formats (HDR 10, HDR10+ and DV) do.
Ambilight is a bit Marmite, as I said personally I don't like it and would have it set to one colour, which is achieved via my own TV lighting anyway. I don't think I suggested it was a 'gimmick', but thanks for the lecture.
 As for AVforums I gave that up after many years as the manufacturers were found to be influencing some reviews and their stuck up moderators. Personally I believe that reviews should be garnered from many sites as they all have their own biases.

Where did you get that Dolby Vision is only for Blu-ray? Dolby Vision encoding is supported by Sky, Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime etc. It is also encoded into more titles than HDR10, HDR10+ is. It is the industry's preferred standard and hence why not having it means missing out on quality across a lot of content.

400ixl

smallzoo2 said:

We mainly watch films, sport etc on netflix, prime etc Dolby isn't important to us, just a good quality screen particularly one that will be as bright as possible in a light room or allow us to watch a film that's set at night and not have to guess whose talking lol... Cheers

You are being misled, if you watch films on Netflix and Prime then Dolby Vision is important, especially if you are going for a tV with the brightness cranked up.

Granted, not important for sports.

Given you can have both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision for the same price as one with only HDR10+ it makes sense to ensure you get one with both.

smallzoo2

400ixl said:

smallzoo2 said:

We mainly watch films, sport etc on netflix, prime etc Dolby isn't important to us, just a good quality screen particularly one that will be as bright as possible in a light room or allow us to watch a film that's set at night and not have to guess whose talking lol... Cheers

You are being misled, if you watch films on Netflix and Prime then Dolby Vision is important, especially if you are going for a tV with the brightness cranked up.

Granted, not important for sports.

Given you can have both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision for the same price as one with only HDR10+ it makes sense to ensure you get one with both.

Thanks.. that's quite interesting actually. The hisense U8K and U8N both have DV and HDR10+ but as the U8K is older is £200 cheaper..I suppose the question is though does that £200 extra make the U8N a much better TV/deal...and as long as the TV has got both and being average users could we spend a lot less !..

smallzoo2

IE...for the average user watching films, Netflix etc in a brightish lounge would this TV suit ?

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/toshiba-fire-tv-65qf5d53db-65-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-qled-tv-with-alexa-10260147.html

400ixl

For the price its reasonable, Toshiba is a decent brand.

It doesn't have HDR10+, but does have HDR and the refresh rate is only 60hz so won't be the fastest for sport (you probably won't hed 100hz+ at this price point though).

You can get better for a little bit more money though i would have thought. Like from Hisense.

However that is always the case, so det your budget and get the best you can within that.

Black Friday is of course coming in a couple of weeks.

RumRat

400ixl said:

RumRat said:

Dolby Vision is only really worth having if you watch your media via Blu-ray, I have it on one of my TV's and obviously not on the Samsung and I have no problems with any of the streaming services on either. 
In fact the quality of the TV and how it handles it has much more impact on HDR than any of the competing formats (HDR 10, HDR10+ and DV) do.
Ambilight is a bit Marmite, as I said personally I don't like it and would have it set to one colour, which is achieved via my own TV lighting anyway. I don't think I suggested it was a 'gimmick', but thanks for the lecture.
 As for AVforums I gave that up after many years as the manufacturers were found to be influencing some reviews and their stuck up moderators. Personally I believe that reviews should be garnered from many sites as they all have their own biases.

Where did you get that Dolby Vision is only for Blu-ray? Dolby Vision encoding is supported by Sky, Netflix, Disney+, Amazon Prime etc. It is also encoded into more titles than HDR10, HDR10+ is. It is the industry's preferred standard and hence why not having it means missing out on quality across a lot of content.

I didn't say that.....So no point in arguing the point...

RumRat

smallzoo2 said:

IE...for the average user watching films, Netflix etc in a brightish lounge would this TV suit ?

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/toshiba-fire-tv-65qf5d53db-65-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-qled-tv-with-alexa-10260147.html

Buying a TV is as much about your budget as anything else. Personally I wouldn't go with Toshiba, they are made in Turkey at the Vestel factory along with many licenced and rebadged sets such as  Hitachi, Polaroid, JVC, Bush, Alba and Finlux.
In fact most of what you find on the supermarket shelves.
As 400ixl suggests spend your money on something a bit better, Look at Hisense and TCL, should be some bargains about for GF...Keep an eye on the Richer sounds website....

SimplyBetter

smallzoo2 said:

400ixl said:

smallzoo2 said:

We mainly watch films, sport etc on netflix, prime etc Dolby isn't important to us, just a good quality screen particularly one that will be as bright as possible in a light room or allow us to watch a film that's set at night and not have to guess whose talking lol... Cheers

You are being misled, if you watch films on Netflix and Prime then Dolby Vision is important, especially if you are going for a tV with the brightness cranked up.

Granted, not important for sports.

Given you can have both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision for the same price as one with only HDR10+ it makes sense to ensure you get one with both.

Thanks.. that's quite interesting actually. The hisense U8K and U8N both have DV and HDR10+ but as the U8K is older is £200 cheaper..I suppose the question is though does that £200 extra make the U8N a much better TV/deal...and as long as the TV has got both and being average users could we spend a lot less !..

According to the specification, the U8K's brightness figure is 1500 nits whilst the U8N is 3000 nits. The U7N up to 1600 nits. So if it's brightness you want, the U8N wins. Not recommending anything, rather just describing the specification.