MSE Supercar ownership experience?

raptor2004

Goudy said:

motorguy said:

Herzlos said:

motorguy said:

WellKnownSid said:

2024, a thousand miles on the clock, under 25 grand.  0-60 in 3.8 seconds.  7 year warranty.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409164077361?sort=relevance&twcs=true&advertising-location=at_cars&make=&page=2&postcode=w1d 4dp&price-to=25000&year-from=2022&zero-to-60=TO_4&fromsra

Electric performance cars versus ICE performance cars is like a microwave versus a barbecue.

A microwave may cook a burger quicker from raw, but who wants a microwaved burger rather than a barbecued one?

I have heard that EV's can be an absolute hoot to drive and far faster than you'd credit. Though I have to admit that without the sound it just won't seem right, in the same way that 30mph in 2nd gear feels faster than 30mph in 5th.

They're fast in a straight line but once the buzz wears off of the on / off power they're a bit of a one trick pony.

They're also very heavy which dulls the handling of them.

Theres more to to driving enjoyment than just acceleration.

That said, they are getting "better".  The Cupra Born seems to be a step towards an electric hot hatch.  I quite like it.

I dont think anybody is buying an EV as a drivers car.  

That's the "experience" though isn't it. The feel and most of that comes down to weight or lack of it.
You can get that in lots of cars, not just supercars.
Weight kills everything, particularly handling.

OK an EV has the punch off the line, but the weight makes it's self known at the first corner.
I had a lowly Zoe for a few months and it left the line pretty quickly but I was soon taught the weight of it at nearly every roundabout.

If all your after is straight line acceleration, swing your leg over a sports bike like the Fireblade, R1 or S1000RR.
There's just nothing to hold them back. Very little weight, very little rolling resistance, very little drag and it's certainly noticeable.

The feeling as they pile on the acceleration is like nothing else, I'm sure a few readers that have nailed one of these (safely on a track) will agree.
There's only the feeling it's the gearing that will eventually hold you up as you cut through the air piling on the speed in massive chunks.
There's just no feeling weight/drag will ever hold the engine/vehicle back which is quite astonishing, they just run out of gearing and bounce off the rev limiter at close to or above 200 mph.

Anyone of these will hit 180 mph in around 15 to 16 seconds. That's three miles a minute in around quarter of a minute.
But we are talking straight line acceleration, show anything with two wheels a corner at speed and it's a different story.
Still a super experience for a lot less than that 458 posted earlier. OK the 458 and its badge in particular might give you a different experience but will that last?

Bear in mind, the 458 was released 15 years ago, wasn’t Ferrari’s flagship car and it still does 0-60 in about 3.0 seconds. That’s still quick even for a motorbike. 

It weights about 1.4 tonnes and has aerodynamics that most mass produced cars like a Golf can’t match. Unless you’ve driven one, don’t just think it’s a car with a badge that you’ll get bored off in a week 

Herzlos

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Herzlos

DullGreyGuy said:

Herzlos said:

What do you reckon is the most MSE way to go about having a supercar experience? I mean more in the fun-to-drive way, not the broken-down-and-need-remortgaged way.

Assuming you've got a daily car so practicality and reliability isn't a big concern.

Kit cars? Older Japanese imports like a Supra/Celica/GT-R? Older hatchbacks with modern engines?

What do you mean "experience"? 

Ownership?
Driving?


If you live in the south-east Mercedes-Benz World has a track where you can take a C63, E63 or GT63 around as a driver or a passenger for not too silly money plus its a track so no speed limits to worry about.

Driving primarily.  With minimal ownership hassle.

I've been to Mercedes-Benz world before actually, and it was great fun. I'd definitely recommend it.

motorguy

Herzlos said:

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Exactly this.  I drive what i drive because its fun.  I dont pretend its a supercar, nor was i looking for a "supercar experience".

Theres fun to be had in the right car, and thats whats important IMHO.

You can probably buy a very presentable MX5 for under £3K and i've no doubt that will be a hoot to drive.

raptor2004

motorguy said:

Herzlos said:

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Exactly this.  I drive what i drive because its fun.  I dont pretend its a supercar, nor was i looking for a "supercar experience".

Theres fun to be had in the right car, and thats whats important IMHO.

You can probably buy a very presentable MX5 for under £3K and i've no doubt that will be a hoot to drive.

So you drive a BMW M2 because it is just fun and no other cheaper cars match that criteria? I'd say the M2 is very quick in a straight line and around corners. Why didn't you buy a MX5 instead of the BMW M2?

motorguy

raptor2004 said:

motorguy said:

Herzlos said:

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Exactly this.  I drive what i drive because its fun.  I dont pretend its a supercar, nor was i looking for a "supercar experience".

Theres fun to be had in the right car, and thats whats important IMHO.

You can probably buy a very presentable MX5 for under £3K and i've no doubt that will be a hoot to drive.

So you drive a BMW M2 because it is just fun and no other cheaper cars match that criteria? I'd say the M2 is very quick in a straight line and around corners. Why didn't you buy a MX5 instead of the BMW M2?

I drive it because i wanted an M2.

I've had various MX5s over the years and my wife has a Z4 convertible.  No need for two 'verts in the household.

You dont have to spend £££,£££s or even ££,£££s for a car to be fun.  

raptor2004

motorguy said:

raptor2004 said:

motorguy said:

Herzlos said:

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Exactly this.  I drive what i drive because its fun.  I dont pretend its a supercar, nor was i looking for a "supercar experience".

Theres fun to be had in the right car, and thats whats important IMHO.

You can probably buy a very presentable MX5 for under £3K and i've no doubt that will be a hoot to drive.

So you drive a BMW M2 because it is just fun and no other cheaper cars match that criteria? I'd say the M2 is very quick in a straight line and around corners. Why didn't you buy a MX5 instead of the BMW M2?

I drive it because i wanted an M2.

I've had various MX5s over the years and my wife has a Z4 convertible.  No need for two 'verts in the household.

You dont have to spend £££,£££s or even ££,£££s for a car to be fun.  

Well I’m sorry but I think most people on this MSE forum can agree that the BMW M2 is a very expensive car to buy and maintain, especially if you just want it for fun. 

Is the M2 actually more fun than the MX5 considering you can buy the MX5 for literally a tenth of the price?

motorguy

raptor2004 said:

motorguy said:

raptor2004 said:

motorguy said:

Herzlos said:

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Exactly this.  I drive what i drive because its fun.  I dont pretend its a supercar, nor was i looking for a "supercar experience".

Theres fun to be had in the right car, and thats whats important IMHO.

You can probably buy a very presentable MX5 for under £3K and i've no doubt that will be a hoot to drive.

So you drive a BMW M2 because it is just fun and no other cheaper cars match that criteria? I'd say the M2 is very quick in a straight line and around corners. Why didn't you buy a MX5 instead of the BMW M2?

I drive it because i wanted an M2.

I've had various MX5s over the years and my wife has a Z4 convertible.  No need for two 'verts in the household.

You dont have to spend £££,£££s or even ££,£££s for a car to be fun.  

Well I’m sorry but I think most people on this MSE forum can agree that the BMW M2 is a very expensive car to buy and maintain, especially if you just want it for fun. 

Is the M2 actually more fun than the MX5 considering you can buy the MX5 for literally a tenth of the price?

Given you allegedly own an F82 M4 i'm surprised your trying for the moral high ground here?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6486208/am-i-getting-scammed-by-my-main-dealer/p1

Why did you allegedly buy a Porsche 911 over the Peugeot 406 diesel you set out to buy?

But to the point in hand, whats hard to accept about me saying i wanted to own an M2?  I could have bought an MX5 at a tenth of the price but didnt.

raptor2004

motorguy said:

raptor2004 said:

motorguy said:

raptor2004 said:

motorguy said:

Herzlos said:

I think it's more about fun - it may not be the fastest in a straight line, or even round a track, or that practical, but being left grinning like a maniac at the end. More like the Clarkson "This car is brilliant, but I'd rather drive home in this", where fun is more important than technical excellence.

I nearly bought an MG ZT260 with the 4.6 Mustang engine in it a few years ago, that sounded incredible and went well enough for a huge saloon. I partially regret it now because the asking price has shot right up, but I'm not sure I'm too upset about not seeing sub 10 mpg regularly. I'd seen someone on an owners club talk about an experimental supercharged version doing 385 bhp and how if you put your foot down you could see the fuel gauge move.

Exactly this.  I drive what i drive because its fun.  I dont pretend its a supercar, nor was i looking for a "supercar experience".

Theres fun to be had in the right car, and thats whats important IMHO.

You can probably buy a very presentable MX5 for under £3K and i've no doubt that will be a hoot to drive.

So you drive a BMW M2 because it is just fun and no other cheaper cars match that criteria? I'd say the M2 is very quick in a straight line and around corners. Why didn't you buy a MX5 instead of the BMW M2?

I drive it because i wanted an M2.

I've had various MX5s over the years and my wife has a Z4 convertible.  No need for two 'verts in the household.

You dont have to spend £££,£££s or even ££,£££s for a car to be fun.  

Well I’m sorry but I think most people on this MSE forum can agree that the BMW M2 is a very expensive car to buy and maintain, especially if you just want it for fun. 

Is the M2 actually more fun than the MX5 considering you can buy the MX5 for literally a tenth of the price?

Given you allegedly own an F82 M4 i'm surprised your trying for the moral high ground here?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6486208/am-i-getting-scammed-by-my-main-dealer/p1

Why did you allegedly buy a Porsche 911 over the Peugeot 406 diesel you set out to buy?

But to the point in hand, whats hard to accept about me saying i wanted to own an M2?  I could have bought an MX5 at a tenth of the price but didnt.

You aren't really explaining why the M2 is so much more expensive than the MX5 but doesn't give 10 times more fun?

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Herzlos said:

Please don't engage with any dark posts, for that matter, too.

Just a reminder