REVIVING THE PRIVATE PARKING BILL

patient_dream

Coupon-mad said:

the only wriggle space is the cost capping

No it's not.

I will not accept the BPA/IPC Code abomination even it was used with costs capping added.  That's a hard NO.

Their code is appalling in so many ways and we are already seeing the results: e.g. keepers denied their right to appeal.

By producing a 'soft' version of the statutory Code (their 'green light' clauses only) there is loads the two APAs have changed. Loads. I'm not going into details here but the good guys & gals on the Steering Group have gone through the BPA/IPC joke of a code with a fine tooth comb.  So much wrong with it.

I do wonder if Angela Rayner is fully up to speed  regarding the code of practice.
And, does she know that the cowboys rode in and probably run the BPA

Angela should dump the IPC and crack down on the BPA and their department and return them back to the day of POFA when government put trust in them ..... what a let down for government.

And the BPA / IPC code of practice is total rubbish, it's a cowboy fabrication and NOT a law and nobody should take any notice of it despite what parking companies, the debt collectors and the legals say
IT IS A SHAM CODE OF PRACTICE

Protest

Coupon-mad said:

the only wriggle space is the cost capping

No it's not.

I will not accept the BPA/IPC Code abomination even it was used with costs capping added.  That's a hard NO.

Their code is appalling in so many ways and we are already seeing the results: e.g. keepers denied their right to appeal.

By producing a 'soft' version of the statutory Code (their 'green light' clauses only) there is loads the two APAs have changed. Loads. I'm not going into details here but the good guys & gals on the Steering Group have gone through the BPA/IPC joke of a code with a fine tooth comb.  So much wrong with it.

Has that analysis of BPA/IPC been published? Can the Steering Group get it into the hands of every MP and the Commons/Lords Libraries? Along with the various AA/RAC critiques published at the time?

Coupon-mad

No. But it's gone to the MHCLG and they do listen to me.  I'm certainly not publishing it (and I can't because it is an official submission where rules apply).

Nellymoser

Looks like attempts are emerging to shift the focus away from the fact that ANPR cameras generate unfair PCNs making huge profits year on year for the private parking industry.

I've read two articles recently where car park landowners try to distance themselves from this fact by offering alternative reasons for employing ANPR  cameras in their car parks.
Landowner First Hydro states:

"The system was set up to manage litter, anti-social activities and non-compliance of car park users".

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/free-campsite-famous-welsh-beauty-140628445.html

Southeastern trains suggest their planned 24/7 ANPR car park camera system "helps to further improve security for customers."

“The additional security also helps to deter crime, anti-social behaviour, fly-tipping and vandalism.” 

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/kent-train-station-car-parks-9475748

Embarrassingly for First Hydro their camera system proved not to be the solution to manage litter and anti-social activities but it did issue PCNs....to the volunteer litter-picker!! Plan A didn't see his PCN cancelled by the landowner but they kindly took his VRM so he wouldn't receive PCNs in the future when he was picking up litter from their car park!!!!

I wonder if this 'shifting the focus' is an attempt to convince new Ministers/MPs/public that ANPR car park cameras are multifunctional and provides a solution to other issues affecting communities.

I think journalists, our new MPs and Ministers when fed this misinformation should ask for an explanation/evidence on how a car park ANPR camera manages and/or deters:
• litter 
• anti-social activities 
• fly-tipping 
• vandalism
• crime
• and improve security for customers 

It's unlikely Lord Khan, one of the new Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the MHCLG will be misled. He was described as "quite an expert on private parking" during a 2022 private parking CoP debate. Good to know there's an 'expert' in new MHCLG team when the long overdue statutory parking code and wider enforcement framework eventually makes it onto Angela's team meeting agenda.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2022-03-28/debates/02E530A9-3FA5-4E03-A9B5-30CD73E1D93F/CodeOfPracticeForPrivateParking

fisherjim

How on earth does an ANPR camera manage litter?

LDast

ANPR can only do what it says on the tin.

Umkomaas

how a car park ANPR camera manages and/or deters:
• litter 
• anti-social activities 
• fly-tipping 
• vandalism
• crime
• and improve security for customers 

Owd Trev Whitehouse's 'ANPR-in-a-Box' did all of that, including catching terrorists, tax dodgers, shoplifters and illegal immigrants. Pity he didn't get his algyarythumbs quite sorted out down in his garden shed!

https://www.theregister.com/2014/02/04/advertising_standards_agency_shutter_number_plate_camera_site/

https://web.archive.org/web/20130128133244/http://www.anprinabox.com/services-and-sectors.html

Ah, the good old days when life (and private parking) was much more simple!

Protest

Even legislation on the statute book is not safe from a commercial lobby  (and inexperienced politicians?)

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1928391/Bridget-Phillipson-free-speech-universities

Will Private Parking Bill/Code survive?

GrannyKate

I noticed new APNR cameras appearing at entrance/exit in a retail carpark a few weeks ago.  Currently free parking with no limits for customers.  A few days later a flimsy poster was stuck to the cameras by group nexus saying customer parking was still free but cameras were just to collect data.  Poster has now gone.  I thought I would check what they had said the cameras were for on the planning permission application.  Surprise surprise there wasn't one.  I have complained to the council about this and have received an acknowledgement but no response so far.  

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GrannyKate said:

I noticed new APNR cameras appearing at entrance/exit in a retail carpark a few weeks ago.  Currently free parking with no limits for customers.  A few days later a flimsy poster was stuck to the cameras by group nexus saying customer parking was still free but cameras were just to collect data.  Poster has now gone.  I thought I would check what they had said the cameras were for on the planning permission application.  Surprise surprise there wasn't one.  I have complained to the council about this and have received an acknowledgement but no response so far.  

You might also lodge a query with the Information Commissioner about the legality of the cameras and the data they collect.

But this is not really germane to this discussion of the future of the Private Parking Code of Practice!