REVIVING THE PRIVATE PARKING BILL

Castle

patient_dream said:

We will know next week who is the winner which will probably be Labour, it is Amgela Rayner who will run the Dept of Levelling Up and she will not take such stupidity lightly

The BPA RUBBISH WILL HIT THE LONG GRASS

Just been confirmed.

Umkomaas

Emmia said:

Protest said:

Massive conflict of interest between "local government" interests and "motorist" interests. Prior to Sunak taking an interest as Minister I think DLUHC prefered to ignore private parking as beneath them, best left to Transport or anyone else who wanted it. And they reverted to their own normal very quickly post-Sunak.

DLUHC Permanent Sec needs to see this issue as her Horizon/Vennells moment, where she is allowing motorists to be penalised daily by a system that she and her organisation has failed to regulate. And Parliament needs to ask "Why?"

 

This isn't a Horizon/Vennells moment. People aren't going to jail for fraud, losing their livelihoods etc. as a result of a system that their employer was probably aware was broken. People who get fined have usually parked where they shouldn't, or have overstayed their "welcome".

Private parking companies being contracted in, is no different to building management services in offices, security companies being used by pubs and clubs on a Friday night or individuals hiring in a cleaner.

The truth is we need far fewer cars on the road, the level of car traffic is blighting our country.

How many of the 12 million motorists 'fined' in the past 12 months would you estimate as falling into those categories?  A percentage figure will do.

Coupon-mad

People who get fined have usually parked where they shouldn't, or have overstayed their "welcome".

@Emmia you are very much mistaken.  But you are not alone in wrongly presuming this.

I can count on one hand  (yes, under five times) the cases I've seen here (in over 15 years of regular posting) where I thought they'd parked so badly that they deserved a sanction. Not £100 though.

Protest

Emmia said:

Protest said:

Massive conflict of interest between "local government" interests and "motorist" interests. Prior to Sunak taking an interest as Minister I think DLUHC prefered to ignore private parking as beneath them, best left to Transport or anyone else who wanted it. And they reverted to their own normal very quickly post-Sunak.

DLUHC Permanent Sec needs to see this issue as her Horizon/Vennells moment, where she is allowing motorists to be penalised daily by a system that she and her organisation has failed to regulate. And Parliament needs to ask "Why?"

 

This isn't a Horizon/Vennells moment. People aren't going to jail for fraud, losing their livelihoods etc. as a result of a system that their employer was probably aware was broken. People who get fined have usually parked where they shouldn't, or have overstayed their "welcome".

Private parking companies being contracted in, is no different to building management services in offices, security companies being used by pubs and clubs on a Friday night or individuals hiring in a cleaner.

The truth is we need far fewer cars on the road, the level of car traffic is blighting our country.

"This isn't a Horizon/Vennells moment. People aren't going to jail for fraud, losing their livelihoods etc. as a result of a system that their employer was probably aware was broken. People who get fined have usually parked where they shouldn't, or have overstayed their "welcome"."

DLUHC have failed in their duty to enact a Code that protects the motorist from a situation that currently incentivises dubious behaviour by some (too many) operators. Akin to PO/Vennells. where nothing was done to protect SPMs.

People DO NOT GET FINED. They get invoiced, usually for breach of contract where there is too-often a strong whiff of entrappment. (I am talking about car parks not on-street parking, and I have no problem with the honest operators)

Protest

A superb collection of solutions is evident. 

Fascinating but irrelevant to the basic issue of getting DLUHC to issue and implement an effective Code by Easter 2025 at latest, correctly and effectively anticipating industry opposition to the will of Parliament.

One small result of the Code might be to help people understand that fines are not issued for private parking matters. The operator issues an invoice for breach of contract - too often accompanied with a strong whiff of entrapment.

DLUHC Code actions are failing to protect motorists in the same way that PO/Vennells failed to protect SPMs

Emmia

Protest said:

Emmia said:

Protest said:

Massive conflict of interest between "local government" interests and "motorist" interests. Prior to Sunak taking an interest as Minister I think DLUHC prefered to ignore private parking as beneath them, best left to Transport or anyone else who wanted it. And they reverted to their own normal very quickly post-Sunak.

DLUHC Permanent Sec needs to see this issue as her Horizon/Vennells moment, where she is allowing motorists to be penalised daily by a system that she and her organisation has failed to regulate. And Parliament needs to ask "Why?"

 

This isn't a Horizon/Vennells moment. People aren't going to jail for fraud, losing their livelihoods etc. as a result of a system that their employer was probably aware was broken. People who get fined have usually parked where they shouldn't, or have overstayed their "welcome".

Private parking companies being contracted in, is no different to building management services in offices, security companies being used by pubs and clubs on a Friday night or individuals hiring in a cleaner.

The truth is we need far fewer cars on the road, the level of car traffic is blighting our country.

"This isn't a Horizon/Vennells moment. People aren't going to jail for fraud, losing their livelihoods etc. as a result of a system that their employer was probably aware was broken. People who get fined have usually parked where they shouldn't, or have overstayed their "welcome"."

DLUHC have failed in their duty to enact a Code that protects the motorist from a situation that currently incentivises dubious behaviour by some (too many) operators. Akin to PO/Vennells. where nothing was done to protect SPMs.

People DO NOT GET FINED. They get invoiced, usually for breach of contract where there is too-often a strong whiff of entrappment. (I am talking about car parks not on-street parking, and I have no problem with the honest operators)

People aren't going to jail. This is NOT in any way, shape or form a Horizon/ Vennells moment.

Coupon-mad

It actually is comparable, in a lesser way.

No prison but livelihoods and communities are being utterly ruined by PPCs.  Shops, pubs & hotels are losing custom and reputation, and money.

Some have gone out of business.

Many people are put off ever returning after being aggressively pursued by PPCs who do NOTHING for society. Literally nothing.

People are being ripped off for parking at their own homes.  People's credit rating is being wrecked for daring to shop at supermarkets or park at GP surgeries/hospitals, and that CCJ damage affects people's lives, jobs, social mobility and their ability to get credit and spend money with honest traders. 

Protest

The PO/Vennells comparison to DLUHC rests on the governance failure in both cases which results in innocent individuals being exposed to harm when they might rightly expect to be protected. It might be interesting to do the maths to compare 900 SPMs to the thousands of motorists who have been left unprotected over the last 5 years or more.

Coupon-mad

Millions of motorists.

patient_dream

Keir Starmer ditching 'Levelling Up' 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13616375/Labour-axe-Brexit-Boris-Johnson-leads-Tory-backlash-Keir-Starmer-ditching-Levelling-ex-PM-warns-drift-backwards-begun.html

Sir Keir and Angela Rayner need to act very quickly before the Labour party are accused of letting a scam operate in the UK

THE PARKING SCAM ?

Will they allow the SCAM PROVIDERS, THE BPA/IAS .. who scam millions of motorists every year to contime ???

WHAT NEXT FOLKS?