Very pushy replacement energy meter calls

Chrysalis

powerful_Rogue said:

I would just double the standing charge and electric/gas rate for those that refuse a smart meter with no genuine reason.

I'm sure something like this will happen in the future, sadly it probably won't be as extreme as i'd like it to be.

Inevitable I think, there is a reasonable argument to be made that there is added cost associated with manual data collection, estimated billing as well as not having access to 30 minute data which is valuable data.

Boxman

powerful_Rogue said:

I would just double the standing charge and electric/gas rate for those that refuse a smart meter with no genuine reason.

I'm sure something like this will happen in the future, sadly it probably won't be as extreme as i'd like it to be.

Why does it grind the gears of propagandists like you so much when surely you're not affected in any way if someone else doesn't have a smart meter?

Despite supplier pressure I see no advantage in me having smart meters as I give my suppliers accurate readings on line whenever they ask for them (the meters are easily accessible to me without having to press any buttons). This works perfectly well and I get completely accurate bills within 12 hours of supplying readings.

I keep a close eye on smart meter tariffs being offered by my suppliers and whilst there seems there would be a slight annual advantage in switching, currently any saving would be minimal (based on the latest tariff projections from Cornwall Insight).  My methods would seem to give 99% accuracy, at a very rough estimate from reading this forum smart meter technology is about 10% less so.

I do course accept that I will inevitably have smart meters in the not too distant future and have no problem with that in principle.

Scot_39

Chrysalis said:

If I was an energy company and I got a customer who was resisting a routine swap, I would be doubling down on it, as in my opinion it makes it more likely they have a tampered meter.

Meter tampering - or at least those caught for doing so is still fairly rare.

Counted in 1000s e.g.

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/energy-regulator-steps-action-against-festive-fraud

I like my smart meter / IHD - but suspect millions are reluctant to go smart. 

Some who have wish they hadn't as problems when they occur are handled badly by suppliers.

When they are selling tariffs that can only be billed accurately when the meters operate reliably - like EV and TOU tariffs based on multiregister or 1/2 hourly data - they need to be far more responsive at fixing problems.

Days / weeks not weeks / months.

powerful_Rogue

Boxman said:

powerful_Rogue said:

I would just double the standing charge and electric/gas rate for those that refuse a smart meter with no genuine reason.

I'm sure something like this will happen in the future, sadly it probably won't be as extreme as i'd like it to be.

Why does it grind the gears of propagandists like you so much when surely you're not affected in any way if someone else doesn't have a smart meter?

Despite supplier pressure I see no advantage in me having smart meters as I give my suppliers accurate readings on line whenever they ask for them (the meters are easily accessible to me without having to press any buttons). This works perfectly well and I get completely accurate bills within 12 hours of supplying readings.

I keep a close eye on smart meter tariffs being offered by my suppliers and whilst there seems there would be a slight annual advantage in switching, currently any saving would be minimal (based on the latest tariff projections from Cornwall Insight).  My methods would seem to give 99% accuracy, at a very rough estimate from reading this forum smart meter technology is about 10% less so.

I do course accept that I will inevitably have smart meters in the not too distant future and have no problem with that in principle.

What properganda have I disseminated?

Believe it or not, but we're all affected and the smart meter roll out is crucial to a better functioning smarter grid.

Doesn't grind my gears at all. It's not your meter, you want electric or gas then the meter owner should be free to replace it.

ecraig

Boxman said:

Despite supplier pressure I see no advantage in me having smart meters as I give my suppliers accurate readings on line whenever they ask for them (the meters are easily accessible to me without having to press any buttons). This works perfectly well and I get completely accurate bills within 12 hours of supplying readings.

I do course accept that I will inevitably have smart meters in the not too distant future and have no problem with that in principle.

You give your supplier an “accurate” reading based on what your meter tells you the number is.
what if the number on the meter is wrong because it’s overstating your usage? Or perhaps it’s understating your usage on the other hand.

if you’ll have no problem in principle to adopt a smart meter in the future, why not have one fitted on the next available installation slot, since that’s going to be in the future.

t0rt0ise

It doesn't bother me if people don't want smart meters. In fact, thinking selfishly it keeps my prices down. I mean look what happened to Octopus Tracker tariff when it got popular... prices went up.

BarelySentientAI

Boxman said:

powerful_Rogue said:

I would just double the standing charge and electric/gas rate for those that refuse a smart meter with no genuine reason.

I'm sure something like this will happen in the future, sadly it probably won't be as extreme as i'd like it to be.

My methods would seem to give 99% accuracy, at a very rough estimate from reading this forum smart meter technology is about 10% less so.

You're claiming that somehow you enhance the accuracy of the meter by looking at it with your own eyes?

prowla

powerful_Rogue said:

I would just double the standing charge and electric/gas rate for those that refuse a smart meter with no genuine reason.

I'm sure something like this will happen in the future, sadly it probably won't be as extreme as i'd like it to be.

Why on earth would you want to do that and what would you define as a "genuine reason"?

Plus, what would the "extreme" you'd like it to be - hanging?

Reed_Richards

BarelySentientAI said:

Shouldn't involve touching the solar install though as that would be connected into your consumer unit (perhaps via a few other things) not including the supplier's meter.  Everything for the solar is on your wiring.

In my case the person who fitted the new smart meter didn't like the type of connectors (which looked like metal spikes) used to wire the solar into my house circuits and replaced these connectors with boxed-in wiring.  In so doing he removed the current sensor used by the inverter and replaced it in the wrong place so my solar system was not working.  I told him this but he said it would settle down and left.  I had to reposition the sensor myself.

Moral: yes the installation could involve touching the solar install and could mess it up.  

Boxman

ecraig said:

You give your supplier an “accurate” reading based on what your meter tells you the number is.
what if the number on the meter is wrong because it’s overstating your usage? Or perhaps it’s understating your usage on the other hand.

if you’ll have no problem in principle to adopt a smart meter in the future, why not have one fitted on the next available installation slot, since that’s going to be in the future.

Of course I have to take the readings from the meters and have no way of telling how accurate they are.  Comparing with my past figures current usage is consistent.  It would surely be the same for a smart meter.

Why not have a smart meter now? No particular reason why not but as I said providing that my meter readings I give the supplier are correct the present arrangement works perfectly well therefore I see no advantage in getting a smart meter