Where can I park on these title deeds?? Please help

Robbie467

Ok to update, so I have read the lease and it does actually say pretty much as bobster says “not to allow or keep any stationery vehicle or obstruction on the shared access or footpath” so it’s pretty much cut and dry.. which in all honesty was how I thought this would go. I didn’t want to get petty with this but I will be taking pics and reporting her when she parks there which won’t be long when she has visitors, maybe a couple of weeks. We have all parked there at times as and when parking has been limited and no one has ever complained until now as everyone knows it’s only temporary. The thing is with this is we all lose out now not just me like Gentoo said which is in my opinion a stupid thing to do but I guess that’s how she wants it, we all know it’s a shared area but because I only technically have 1 space I ended up using it the most but only when the complainant took all the free space, how ironic isn’t it. It’s ridiculous. She just wants it all. The top and bottom of it is that The 4 houses in this small cul-de-sac are all 4 and 5 bed properties, they haven’t built anywhere near enough space to accommodate the possibility of all the houses being full, and as families increase in size and age so does the amount of cars…if we all had the amount of vehicles they have we would need a multi-storey.  I should have maybe thought about this before I bought it lol. 

Schwarzwald

Wait until the complainant parks their vehicle in that space, take a picture, then approach them and have a conversation how they like to take it forward:
either you all agree that the space can be used for parking or otherwise you will rigorously report anybody parking there at any time.
if they want the latter, install a Ring camera outside your house to cctv the share area.
rules are rules but this also doesn't sound as if it built a nice community in this cul-de-sac.

Robbie467

Yes I think that’s what I’m going to do. I was just going  take a picture and sent it to the management company but I may take this approach instead. I have HD cctv all around the property which also covers the fence so I can see as soon as anyone parks there. 

It’s a lovely neighbourhood, lovely and quiet but now parking is getting a little tight sometimes as  BarelySentientAI said earlier people who park in the area automatically think that’s their space, even on the public highway and as soon as another car parks there they’re making a scene.. I have a 5 bed house next to me to my left and they also only have 1 park space but because the public road runs down the side of them they use the road to park their 3 sometimes 4 vehicles so basically claiming it for themselves. I have parked down there a few times and now they’re not the same… they used to talk and make conversation but they barely even wave now… it’s making me hate the area unfortunately.. people are so selfish.

eddddy

The neighbour should really had a 'friendly, neighbourly discussion' about the issue with you - long before getting the management company involved.

And maybe that's an approach you should now take, to try to defuse the situation.

Confronting the neighbour with photos of their parking is more likely to inflame things.

Maybe talk though the issues of the access area, and the number of cars that everyone wants to park, and see if you can both agree a solution (which may or may not involve people parking on the shared access area).

And/or maybe you've misunderstood the issue. Maybe it's not about accessing the garage. Maybe it's about space for turning a car around, or access for deliveries, or something else.

Section62

eddddy said:

And/or maybe you've misunderstood the issue. Maybe it's not about accessing the garage. Maybe it's about space for turning a car around, or access for deliveries, or something else.

That would be my assessment - the yellow area is as large as it is to enable vehicles (parked in the garages/driveways) to turn so they can be driven out forwards onto the 'road'.  Otherwise they'd have to reverse in/out along the whole length of the shared access, then use the turning head at the end of the 'road' to face the right way.  From a safety perspective, having people reverse that far is something you'd try to avoid by design.

NameUnavailable

Why does the neighbour think the rules don't apply to them? Send them a copy of the letter from the management company with the plan showing the access areas as above and remind them that the rules apply to ALL houses. If they decide to park there again then report them or carry on parking there too!

Section62

NameUnavailable said:

Why does the neighbour think the rules don't apply to them? Send them a copy of the letter from the management company with the plan showing the access areas as above and remind them that the rules apply to ALL houses. If they decide to park there again then report them or carry on parking there too!

If the management co are correct that this is a "breach of the lease" then carrying on parking there would be an unwise idea.

It is unlikely the management co will want the hassle of dealing with a neighbour/parking dispute, so may be inclined to nip it in the bud quickly by demonstrating the powers they have (if any) to deal with it.

A better approach would be to get together with the neighbours to agree what parking on the shared area might be mutually acceptable and approach the management co jointly with a proposal.  If not, then reporting the neighbour would seem to be the appropriate way forward.

Altior

Why would a property boundary encompass a shared space that must be left clear at all times. Seems very strange to this lay person. 

BarelySentientAI

Altior said:

Why would a property boundary encompass a shared space that must be left clear at all times. Seems very strange to this lay person. 

It's extremely common.  A shared driveway for more than one property would be just one example.

Not every driveway entrance, turning circle, bit of block paving at the end of a cul-de-sac etc is a highway outside the property boundaries for the adjacent land.  It puts the maintenance requirement on the person who's property it is, or at least gets that requirement out of the way of the developer/estate.

Altior

Cheers, but in this case the OP states the cul de sac is managed. So we think that the other yellow shaded area on the plan is inside the boundary of other property(s). And for example, if a pothole developed inside the OP's boundary but within the yellow area, the OP would be liable for the repair? It interested me as we have a shared forecourt but the shared space does not fall with anyone's property boundary. The light is out so at night it is literally pitch black but no idea who should be rectifying it. It's been like that for more than five years now! No management company involved.