Premier park Ltd court claim

lydecker_777

I received a pcn in Nov 2022 off premier parking Ltd for parking in a steam railway carpark on a Sunday evening for 30 mins, alleged ..

Anyway I parked off the carpark and up a lane, however I can vaguely remember going through the car park on the way in, but exiting a different way out ?

Anyway premier parking Ltd sent me a letter, (pcn) with photographs of the alleged vehicle involved ..

The photos show my numberplate , however they are separate to the vehicle pictures , and the rear picture doesn't look at all like my vehicle !


My numberplate was attached separately to these images!

My vehicle is this



Anyway after ignoring their nonsense, I received a County court claim over a year later , nbcc , I followed the steps on the thread, submitted a defence and I was asked for n180 form, which I filled out and forgot to attach to an email..genuinely forgotten..

My defence has been struck out, I've complained to the court so will have to see what happens there ?
What could next steps be?
And in your opinion do you think the photos prove that it's not my vehicle ?

Thanks 

Jon

DE_612183

Have you had a court date?

lydecker_777

No, they've currently thrown out my defence as n180 wasn't submitted ? 

stuart_c2023

Hi,

You've some similarities with my ANPR case with Premier Park, although my defence was more concrete

Challenge Default Judgement : Premier Park Drop Case — MoneySavingExpert Forum

I messed up the CNBC process and ended up with CCJ, which I managed to have overturned, but this was getting the case seen at local court, not the CNBC complaints dept who were very matter of fact. 

Take some photos of your van front and back in darkness to compare and search for anything that shows your van wasn't inside the car park during the period between ANPR photos.

Also, be worth proving that the ANPR covered access isn't the only one in/out of the site. 

lydecker_777

I will have to go and have a look at the site later, it's just so annoying that we have to waste our time fighting these ridiculous charges!

Access was at the top and i parked down the bottom .

stuart_c2023

Google Earth images are from Oct 22 and the walkaround works within the car park if you want to remind yourself.
You can see the ANPR cameras above the P&D ticket machine for Way In and a separate one opposite way out, but these are both at north of the site .

Take a screengrab of the signage as the PCN warning text is pretty small being part of the steam railways advertising and probably won't meet standards .   

Compare these signs to the blanket bombing on the claim against me P14-18 of linked document
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nxsp43afn99u7fqwg5jmp/DEF-Def-to-Cc-Exhs-redacted-P1_19.pdf?rlkey=mzci3jd29h5vtgoubkvhav395&dl=0

lydecker_777

Thanks very much. Will definitely do this later on my way to work and report back, 

Coupon-mad

If your defence has been struck out you can only object to that Order, saying you did email it and suggesting that the CNBC should have seen the attachment.

If they refuse to accept error, then you'll have to pay the court £275 to set aside the CCJ under CPR 13.3 (showing good reasons why this defended claim should see the defence reinstated & heard).

In both cases you must act promptly.  No sitting around waiting for a reply. Chase up.

stuart_c2023

Unless I have lost the plot, Looking at the ANPR photos you can to prove it's not your vehicle in both photos as their cameras face the way in and way out so the headlight photo should be timed before the taillight exit photo. They have you leaving at 17:33 and coming in at 18:11


Way In


Way out 


Images saved below if you want a copy
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/g9ey8ohssplszggcaoddt/Bridgenorth-SVR-Car-Park.png?rlkey=wmg4wsbuh6779fyqanrj4w5p0&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sv6e67l87wlgqokcgp5xq/Bridgnorth-Valley-Car-Park-Way-In-with-ANPR-facing..JPG?rlkey=3nz7ky33y8f57q9ox2jvo1bfd&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bib1pjz1rz4mlbb99imc3/Bridgnorth-Valley-Car-Park-Way-Out-with-ANPR-facing..JPG?rlkey=ybjux08p66zdj1yxsjeu0guoh&dl=0

lydecker_777

Coupon-mad said:

If your defence has been struck out you can only object to that Order, saying you did email it and suggesting that the CNBC should have seen the attachment.

If they refuse to accept error, then you'll have to pay the court £275 to set aside the CCJ under CPR 13.3 (showing good reasons why this defended claim should see the defence reinstated & heard).

In both cases you must act promptly.  No sitting around waiting for a reply. Chase up.

Hi, I emailed straight away. I have been chasing the moneyclaim website daily and attached the n180 form that was completed...fingers crossed

lydecker_777

stuart_c2023 said:

Unless I have lost the plot, Looking at the ANPR photos you can to prove it's not your vehicle in both photos as their cameras face the way in and way out so the headlight photo should be timed before the taillight exit photo. They have you leaving at 17:33 and coming in at 18:11


Way In


Way out 


Images saved below if you want a copy
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/g9ey8ohssplszggcaoddt/Bridgenorth-SVR-Car-Park.png?rlkey=wmg4wsbuh6779fyqanrj4w5p0&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sv6e67l87wlgqokcgp5xq/Bridgnorth-Valley-Car-Park-Way-In-with-ANPR-facing..JPG?rlkey=3nz7ky33y8f57q9ox2jvo1bfd&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bib1pjz1rz4mlbb99imc3/Bridgnorth-Valley-Car-Park-Way-Out-with-ANPR-facing..JPG?rlkey=ybjux08p66zdj1yxsjeu0guoh&dl=0

stuart_c2023 said:

Unless I have lost the plot, Looking at the ANPR photos you can to prove it's not your vehicle in both photos as their cameras face the way in and way out so the headlight photo should be timed before the taillight exit photo. They have you leaving at 17:33 and coming in at 18:11


Way In


Way out 


Images saved below if you want a copy
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/g9ey8ohssplszggcaoddt/Bridgenorth-SVR-Car-Park.png?rlkey=wmg4wsbuh6779fyqanrj4w5p0&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sv6e67l87wlgqokcgp5xq/Bridgnorth-Valley-Car-Park-Way-In-with-ANPR-facing..JPG?rlkey=3nz7ky33y8f57q9ox2jvo1bfd&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bib1pjz1rz4mlbb99imc3/Bridgnorth-Valley-Car-Park-Way-Out-with-ANPR-facing..JPG?rlkey=ybjux08p66zdj1yxsjeu0guoh&dl=0

Wow..excellent attention to detail ! 👌  the pictures provided are actually from a subject access request direct from the car parking company! So they are definitely in the wrong ..I.think I will be going down your route of action!