Parking Code evidence - your images of private parking signs are needed please!

Ralph-y

and the fact the it says leave on dashboard .... and take me with you !

Castle

Ralph-y said:

and the fact the it says leave on dashboard .... and take me with you !

Does the right hand part tear off?

Coupon-mad

Coupon-mad said:

Ralph-y said:

Not a sign ... but a ticket with conflicting advice ... Hawkshead car park

"Take me with you to remind you when I expire" is a clear promise.

Completely misleading in a remote camera enforced car park because unbeknown to the driver they are held to an earlier time that they are not told.

But a consumer SHOULD reasonably be entitled to rely on the 'expiry' time on the receipt printed at the moment of the transaction being performed.
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Ralph-y said:

and the fact the it says leave on dashboard .... and take me with you !

Ooh I missed that! Ambiguous terms too.

My main issue with these tickets is they mislead consumers about the expiry time, even though the P&D system is interrogated and compared to the data from the ANPR system.

Therefore, the two AI systems are capable of interacting (with no human intervention needed, no work involved) and we know that they can present drivers with their car arrival time.

e.g. this is what Horizon at Tesco shows you when you enter a parking 'code' (printed with your Tesco receipt) at home, to use the advertised offer to exempt your car later that day. It shows the arrival times, so it is indisputable that the system knows them in real time:



As I say, it is indisputable that they know those times IMMEDIATELY because if you use the kiosks in the car park when walking outside with your shopping you are presented with your arrival time, to the second.

Therefore, a P&D machine can do the same.

If not, a kiosk could do this for you on arrival and then present you with a way to pay for your planned stay, automatically calculated to show you that your 'parking period' starts from 5 or 10 minutes after the arrival time to factor in the applicable consideration period.

All of this is already done in the background but withheld from drivers.

This set up (in fact ALL P&D machine receipts printed on private land right now that show an expiry time) constitutes a 'misleading action' or 'misleading omission'.

This conduct breaches the DMCC Act 2025 and can now be reported to the Competition and Markets authority, who can FINE rogue traders.

Ralph-y

"Does the right hand part tear off? " nope .... it makes sense that , that is what you are meant to do .....but  not even a scissor cut here line .... I took me a min or so ... I was being ultra careful , as I never use private car parks .... but needed to this time. 

Car1980

Coupon-mad said:

Coupon-mad said:

Ralph-y said:

Not a sign ... but a ticket with conflicting advice ... Hawkshead car park

"Take me with you to remind you when I expire" is a clear promise.

Completely misleading in a remote camera enforced car park because unbeknown to the driver they are held to an earlier time that they are not told.

But a consumer SHOULD reasonably be entitled to rely on the 'expiry' time on the receipt printed at the moment of the transaction being performed.
...

Ralph-y said:

and the fact the it says leave on dashboard .... and take me with you !

Ooh I missed that! Ambiguous terms too.

My main issue with these tickets is they mislead consumers about the expiry time, even though the P&D system is interrogated and compared to the data from the ANPR system.

Therefore, the two AI systems are capable of interacting (with no human intervention needed, no work involved) and we know that they can present drivers with their car arrival time.

e.g. this is what Horizon at Tesco shows you when you enter a parking 'code' (printed with your Tesco receipt) at home, to use the advertised offer to exempt your car later that day. It shows the arrival times, so it is indisputable that the system knows them in real time:



As I say, it is indisputable that they know those times IMMEDIATELY because if you use the kiosks in the car park when walking outside with your shopping you are presented with your arrival time, to the second.

Therefore, a P&D machine can do the same.

If not, a kiosk could do this for you on arrival and then present you with a way to pay for your planned stay, automatically calculated to show you that your 'parking period' starts from 5 or 10 minutes after the arrival time to factor in the applicable consideration period.

All of this is already done in the background but withheld from drivers.

This set up (in fact ALL P&D machine receipts printed on private land right now that show an expiry time) constitutes a 'misleading action' or 'misleading omission'.

This conduct breaches the DMCC Act 2025 and can now be reported to the Competition and Markets authority, who can FINE rogue traders.

That's very interesting.

We occasionally see "pay on exit through the app" cases where you have to guess when you entered the car park, which could be many hours prior. The ANPR timings are purposefully hidden from the app.