EV chargers prices

matt_drummer

Krakkkers said:

I feel the same way about 2 stroke motorcycles, which is why i have a garage full.

Yes, give me an RG500 or an RD500 now!

Krakkkers

I have a 350LC, RD400 and KH400

matt_drummer

Krakkkers said:

I have a 350LC, RD400 and KH400

Very nice!

dunstonh

My brother-in-law has a Tesla, and is very evangelical about the benefits of his EV.  I just hate it, it makes no noise and practically drives itself. 

My wife's PHEV is much better to drive than her same model fuel version she had before.     Its different and it would be wrong to say it drives itself.   You actually do drive diferently as you look to coast more rather than leaving your foot on the pedal. 

I would miss the sound of a decent engine but the sound of near silence is also pretty interesting in its own right as long as the car drives well.

 I expect we will get one more petrol car before being forced down the EV route, at least then I will be nearly 80, and if still alive, won't be doing the road trips that we do at the moment. 

I thought the same and that is why we went with a PHEV on my wife's car.  I was sceptical but now I am converted.   But with the right car.  i couldnt drive a bland petrol car any more than a bland EV.  

I find Tesla's ugly.  They almost certainly have the best electrical set up but poor build quality, ugly cars and not the best at handling put me off.   

matt_drummer

dunstonh said:

My brother-in-law has a Tesla, and is very evangelical about the benefits of his EV.  I just hate it, it makes no noise and practically drives itself. 

My wife's PHEV is much better to drive than her same model fuel version she had before.     Its different and it would be wrong to say it drives itself.   You actually do drive diferently as you look to coast more rather than leaving your foot on the pedal. 

I would miss the sound of a decent engine but the sound of near silence is also pretty interesting in its own right as long as the car drives well.

 I expect we will get one more petrol car before being forced down the EV route, at least then I will be nearly 80, and if still alive, won't be doing the road trips that we do at the moment. 

I thought the same and that is why we went with a PHEV on my wife's car.  I was sceptical but now I am converted.   But with the right car.  i couldnt drive a bland petrol car any more than a bland EV.  

I find Tesla's ugly.  They almost certainly have the best electrical set up but poor build quality, ugly cars and not the best at handling put me off.   

What phev?

I think my Tesla is beautiful but accept that others think differently.

There is no longer any problem with build quality. Mine is a China built Model 3 and is perfect. I have not had one problem with it in over 2 years.

Handling is good, it's like a go-cart.

Have you actually driven a Tesla?

Krakkkers

Surely buying a car is cheaper than a lease?
It's just yiu need the money up front.

lohr500

This makes for interesting reading 

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12160659/Used-electric-cars-nosedived-value-2023.html

Presumably this means PCP monthly payments will increase for new buyers as the higher depreciation is factored into the lease arrangements.

But does it also mean it is a good time to buy a used EV if you want to make the move to electric?

I'm still undecided on the wisdom of switching to a full EV. I had a Mitsubishi PHEV for a few months but for me it kind of fell between two stools. Very limited electric only range and the complexity of hauling around both a battery and an engine. 

rp1974

lohr500 said:

I'm still undecided on the wisdom of switching to a full EV. I had a Mitsubishi PHEV for a few months but for me it kind of fell between two stools. Very limited electric only range and the complexity of hauling around both a battery and an engine. 

Broadly echoes my sentiments regarding PHEV's,they might work well for some,but personally believe that they're the worst of both worlds as opposed to the best,that said Outlanders are quite a nice place to be.
Recently bought a Zoe ZE50,definitely need a home charger fitted though as public charging can be expensive,quite frequently broken and relatively limited in availability for many.
That's at present where there's apparently 23 electric vehicles for every publicly available charger,a daunting prospect for those considering fully electric travel perhaps.

silverwhistle

do you buy it on a lease? or outright ? few working class people can afford  £45k for a car. the cheapest lease i can find is £480 mth thats £5760 a yr doubt may working class people can afford that avg wage is £28k so £23 take home

Well, buy a cheaper model? After a lifetime of cheap cars I had some savings so bought a new EV for just under £22k.  At the time that was because second hand prices didn't look good value. Fortunately my ex-council terrace has space at the front for home charging. Two years later I was offered more than I paid for it so changed to a different model. Most unusual for me as I normally keep cars until they are old. Since then second hand prices have come down to more reasonable levels due to the changing market and if I had been buying now I'd have gone second hand. I'll be keeping this one for years.

As for lease prices I don't think you are looking in the right place, but you can do your own research if you are interested. Try the Speakev forum.

matt_drummer

Krakkkers said:

Surely buying a car is cheaper than a lease?
It's just yiu need the money up front.

No, not always.

The lease company has calculated what my Tesla will be worth at the end of the lease period and based my monthly payments on that.

If they have got it wrong and the car is worth less at the end of the lease they will have made less profit and potentially even a loss from the deal.

Having the money up front comes at a cost, its not free.

The Tesla is costing me less than a petrol Ford Focus (or similar car) would have cost.