EV chargers prices

[Deleted User]

I have had 3 EVs. Yes, range does fall in Winter but nowhere near as by 50%. I now have an EV with a 285mile range. Last week, we drove 260 miles and arrived at our night stop with 30 miles remaining on the GoM. That said, how often do most people drive 260 miles in a day?

QrizB

dunstonh said:

...However, granny chargers can only draw up to 3kWh,     For 7 hours charging thats about 35 miles.

7x3 = 21kWh which would take you 84 miles, at the 4 miles per kWh that @matt_drummer achieves in his Telsa.

dunstonh

QrizB said:

dunstonh said:

...However, granny chargers can only draw up to 3kWh,     For 7 hours charging thats about 35 miles.

7x3 = 21kWh which would take you 84 miles, at the 4 miles per kWh that @matt_drummer achieves in his Telsa.

Ours manages 14.2kWh over the 7 hours on the granny charger.  Its timed to come on just after 1.30am BST and off just  before 8.30am  BST.

And that gives anything between 25 miles and 40 miles depending on temperature.

edit: checking the TAPO, it shows between 2.2kWh to 2.4kWh as the charge rate.

Krakkkers

Just watched a youtube video on EV depreciation, absolutely horrendous if you bought new.

QrizB

Krakkkers said:

Just watched a youtube video on EV depreciation, absolutely horrendous if you bought new.

If you think EV depreciation is bad, you should look at internal combustion engine cars.

matt_drummer

QrizB said:

dunstonh said:

...However, granny chargers can only draw up to 3kWh,     For 7 hours charging thats about 35 miles.

7x3 = 21kWh which would take you 84 miles, at the 4 miles per kWh that @matt_drummer achieves in his Telsa.

A plug in hybrid will be nowhere near as efficient as a fully electric car.

Maybe 50% at best, my boss has a PHEV and he uses four times as much electricity as me to do the same mileage. He gets 20 miles or so out of 15kWh on average.

Not because the car is bad, just because it is a compromise.

The battery is a fifth of the size of mine and has to move a car that weighs more than mine, it will never be efficient, the battery in his phev is working much harder than the one in my Tesla.

Then there are the battery cycles on a phev.

The life of the batteries is mainly related to the number of cycles and how hard the batteries are worked.

His phev is charged every day, my Tesla is charged every two weks.

If we said that the batteries have 1,500 cycles in them.

The battery in the phev charged every day will last 4.11 years (1,500/365)

My Tesla battery will last 57.69 years on the same basis (1,500/26)

I have said it before, phevs are a bad idea, the worst of both worlds. Maybe ok in many respects when new but after a few years the battery will be shot.

matt_drummer

Krakkkers said:

Just watched a youtube video on EV depreciation, absolutely horrendous if you bought new.

Just lease one.

A fixed cost with no long term commitment.

You know exactly what you'll pay and you can have the latest technology ever few years.

Krakkkers

BUT that is not what they are for, they are for buying a 400 hp ICE car that for tax purposes is an EV when tested.

matt_drummer

Krakkkers said:

BUT that is not what they are for, they are for buying a 400 hp ICE car that for tax purposes is an EV when tested.

My boss's 400hp Jaguar phev pays a fortune in company car tax, I think it is about 20% of the retail value when new.

My Tesla is charged at 2%

My Tesla is faster, more efficient and more spacious inside.

The Jaguar's boot is mostly taken up by the batteries!

They are cheaper on company car tax than a full ice but hardly efficient from a tax point of view.

I am the company accountant.

Gerry1

[Deleted User] said:

I now have an EV with a 285mile range. Last week, we drove 260 miles and arrived at our night stop with 30 miles remaining on the GoM.

Far too close for comfort !  If the charger is broken or unavailable, good luck in finding a working one within 15 miles, having to wait while it charges (perhaps missing your evening meal or event at the original destination) and dreading that the GOM turns out to have been optimistic.

Presumably you're also having to pay more for that charge compared to a petrol fill up?