Octopus Agile

Newbie_John

debitcardmayhem said:

EssexHebridean said:

wrf12345 said:

10p less on the s/c until March and as ultra low user that still makes it cheaper for me overall, wanted to drink less coffee so an excuse to cut back to a mere two cups a day (I did not realise until recently that my 800W microwave is actually consuming 1400W!)... also the CH seems to consume about 100W for the pump, etc as well so have not turned that on for its morning session.

Are you certain that simply using the kettle wouldn't be cheaper for you than faffing about microwaving water? 

You will still need the same amount of energy to raise the water to the required temperature

Sure, but in microwave you probably aim at 70°C and kettle at 100°C. Also cup guarantees the right amount whereas in kettle often we boil too much.

Anyway, both these options probably cost 1.867p and the other 1.786p..

bristolleedsfan

Newbie_John said:

debitcardmayhem said:

EssexHebridean said:

wrf12345 said:

10p less on the s/c until March and as ultra low user that still makes it cheaper for me overall, wanted to drink less coffee so an excuse to cut back to a mere two cups a day (I did not realise until recently that my 800W microwave is actually consuming 1400W!)... also the CH seems to consume about 100W for the pump, etc as well so have not turned that on for its morning session.

Are you certain that simply using the kettle wouldn't be cheaper for you than faffing about microwaving water? 

You will still need the same amount of energy to raise the water to the required temperature

Sure, but in microwave you probably aim at 70°C and kettle at 100°C. Also cup guarantees the right amount whereas in kettle often we boil too much.

Kettle with 1 cup minimum fill indicator, fill cup or mug with water empty into kettle.

Chrysalis

debitcardmayhem said:

Telegraph_Sam said:

I tend to be sceptical over anything other than short term, regional / local forecasts. Have you had much experience with the app you have published, and what was the source? Ah I've just read Octopus Watch

Take wind and the pressure maps from BBC not much wind Mon ar 1500 isobars spread, and compare Sat very close together isobars likely loads of wind.

I bet the low doesnt centre over us, just get the edge of it over Scotland.  We are a high magnet, especially south east.

Chrysalis

QrizB said:

debitcardmayhem said:

EssexHebridean said:

wrf12345 said:

10p less on the s/c until March and as ultra low user that still makes it cheaper for me overall, wanted to drink less coffee so an excuse to cut back to a mere two cups a day (I did not realise until recently that my 800W microwave is actually consuming 1400W!)... also the CH seems to consume about 100W for the pump, etc as well so have not turned that on for its morning session.

Are you certain that simply using the kettle wouldn't be cheaper for you than faffing about microwaving water? 

You will still need the same amount of energy to raise the water to the required temperature

But the kettle will be much closer to 1 watt in = 1 watt out, unlike the microwave which (entirely typically) wastes almost half the power as conversion losses.

There's a Technology Connections video all about it. I think it's this one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RpoXFk-ixZc

My hob is the best, takes an eternity to heat any water in a pan, and at the same time its heating half the surface of the cooker.  The leakage must be insane.

Chrysalis

Newbie_John said:

debitcardmayhem said:

EssexHebridean said:

wrf12345 said:

10p less on the s/c until March and as ultra low user that still makes it cheaper for me overall, wanted to drink less coffee so an excuse to cut back to a mere two cups a day (I did not realise until recently that my 800W microwave is actually consuming 1400W!)... also the CH seems to consume about 100W for the pump, etc as well so have not turned that on for its morning session.

Are you certain that simply using the kettle wouldn't be cheaper for you than faffing about microwaving water? 

You will still need the same amount of energy to raise the water to the required temperature

Sure, but in microwave you probably aim at 70°C and kettle at 100°C. Also cup guarantees the right amount whereas in kettle often we boil too much.

Anyway, both these options probably cost 1.867p and the other 1.786p..

If you like me and have one coffee after another, boiling too much means the next boil is very quick.

teaselMay

There's a lot to be said for a big insulated cafetiere

Spoonie_Turtle

bristolleedsfan said:

Newbie_John said:

debitcardmayhem said:

EssexHebridean said:

wrf12345 said:

10p less on the s/c until March and as ultra low user that still makes it cheaper for me overall, wanted to drink less coffee so an excuse to cut back to a mere two cups a day (I did not realise until recently that my 800W microwave is actually consuming 1400W!)... also the CH seems to consume about 100W for the pump, etc as well so have not turned that on for its morning session.

Are you certain that simply using the kettle wouldn't be cheaper for you than faffing about microwaving water? 

You will still need the same amount of energy to raise the water to the required temperature

Sure, but in microwave you probably aim at 70°C and kettle at 100°C. Also cup guarantees the right amount whereas in kettle often we boil too much.

Kettle with 1 cup minimum fill indicator, fill cup or mug with water empty into kettle.

I can't imagine being able to do that, we always need a buffer for the limescale (a losing war, we've simply had to accept the buffer as the price of not getting miniscule crunchy bits in your drink).

That said, I don't know what level of monetary saving would persuade me to microwave water instead.  Each to their own but … that's definitely not for me.  I'll stick with having my water boiled, thank you.

masonic

Spoonie_Turtle said:

That said, I don't know what level of monetary saving would persuade me to microwave water instead.  Each to their own but … that's definitely not for me.  I'll stick with having my water boiled, thank you.

I understand such practices are commonplace in the USA, due to their puny 110V power supplies. There is no excuse here

wrf12345

Changing over to microwave for cooking and heating four cups of water of a day definitely saved me money over the oven and electric kettle but may have a point if I exclude cooking from the equation but I would have to buy a smaller kettle. BTW nuked water plus instant coffee actually tastes better than boiled water. Water seems to take longer to boil in the kettle than microwave (3000W v 1400W) so that would suggest microwave is cheaper unless I go for a really small kettle that would just boil enough for one cup, or buy one of those Aliexpress elements that you actually put in a cup, which always hints at electrocution and is easy to forget and burn out.

Chrysalis

Spoonie_Turtle said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Newbie_John said:

debitcardmayhem said:

EssexHebridean said:

wrf12345 said:

10p less on the s/c until March and as ultra low user that still makes it cheaper for me overall, wanted to drink less coffee so an excuse to cut back to a mere two cups a day (I did not realise until recently that my 800W microwave is actually consuming 1400W!)... also the CH seems to consume about 100W for the pump, etc as well so have not turned that on for its morning session.

Are you certain that simply using the kettle wouldn't be cheaper for you than faffing about microwaving water? 

You will still need the same amount of energy to raise the water to the required temperature

Sure, but in microwave you probably aim at 70°C and kettle at 100°C. Also cup guarantees the right amount whereas in kettle often we boil too much.

Kettle with 1 cup minimum fill indicator, fill cup or mug with water empty into kettle.

I can't imagine being able to do that, we always need a buffer for the limescale (a losing war, we've simply had to accept the buffer as the price of not getting miniscule crunchy bits in your drink).

That said, I don't know what level of monetary saving would persuade me to microwave water instead.  Each to their own but … that's definitely not for me.  I'll stick with having my water boiled, thank you.

My new kettle uses filters, so far so good, I am in a very heavy water area, and I think I am actually spending no more on filters than I was on limescale remover, I had to use the remover weekly, it was that bad.