New telegraph pole installed, would like it moved - please help!

diystarter7

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

Hi

The poster may be saying, IE talking about having to park on a kerb where is it allowed. A couple of raods a few miles from our home both short parts of a one way sytem and there are markings where you park half of the car on the pavement

Agreed that other than where allowed poeple should not park on kerb/pavement

Thnaks

Gavin83

Noneforit999 said:

justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

You can't reduce the amount of cars residents own by painting lines, they will just park on another road causing the same issue.

Well actually you can. If the problem shifts to another road you just paint lines on that one too. Ultimately you'll reach a point where it'll be a struggle to park anywhere unless you've got a dedicated space.

The Government will ultimately want private car ownership to reduce. One way to help achieve this is to reduce parking opportunities. I expect it's only a matter of time before pavement parking becomes illegal everywhere.

I feel similar about this as I do about people who complain about building works spoiling the lovely view behind their house. If you want something then you need to own it. If you want a parking space then make sure your house has one. That is the only way you can insure you have a parking space near your house.

Niv said:

justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

Dead easy to say when it doesn't affect you. Clearly people are parking outside their homes (houses on both sides of the road). Double yellow one side and there is unlikely to be enough parking and then you end up with resentment / agro as those that now have double yellow lines outside their house park outside someone else house who now cant park their car there etc etc.

No one has the right to park outside their house. If people accepted this the resentment would disappear.

baser999

Neighbour down the road with 5 cars is doing no one any favours.

Section62

MattMattMattUK said:

Section62 said:

It is not, because one has no legal right to park on the pavement, but one is required not to obstruct the pavement with a car and in many parts of the country are specifically prohibited from parking on the pavement. 

Outside of the areas (e.g. London) where parking on the footway or verge is directly prohibited, there is no specific distinction in law between parking on the footway or parking on the carriageway.  The requirement not to obstruct applies to the whole extent of the highway, with the exception of designated parking places.

In either case (i.e. footway/carriageway) - unless the vehicle is parked in a designated parking place - it is technically an obstruction of the highway.  There is no 'legal right' to park anywhere on the highway (whether the verge, footway, cycleway or carriageway, or even within a designated parking place). In a designated parking place it is not unlawful for a parked vehicle to obstruct the highway.

So if the traffic authority designate a disabled parking place either partially or wholly on the footway then a vehicle being used by (or for) a blue badge holder has as much right to be there as other people with disabilities have to use the footway.  As I've mentioned a couple of times now, it is about the local traffic authority getting the balance right between the needs of different road users.

If there are no specific restrictions, and no designated parking places, then the need(s) of a disabled driver/passenger to have a vehicle parked close to a property (even if that means wheels on the footway) is no greater nor less (legally) than the need(s) of a disabled road user on foot or using a wheelchair.  Hence it would be "play[ing] the disabled card" IMV, although that wouldn't be my choice of words to describe the situation.

Spendless

Section62 said:

Spendless said:

Your description of where your road is, says why you have problems with parking, it's because it's close to certain aminities.

From the OP's description I took it that the lack of parking was due to it being a local authority estate originally which wasn't provided with (adequate) off-street parking when built.

This is a common problem - many of these estates were built at a time when private car ownership wasn't very high, and in many cases assumptions were made about the affordability of private cars to the people occupying LA homes.

Times have changed, and not only has the affordability of private cars become easier, the need for people residing in the estates to own and use a car is often greater than in other (less affordable) areas within the locality.

It ca be a real issue, and I can see why the OP is concerned about the loss of further parking opportunity (albeit one which isn't strictly allowed perhaps)

My mistake. I was going on this

The road had a permit based residents only parking for one car per household due to its proximity to the local town hall and civic centre

which I thought was from the OP, it isn't, my bad. I was clearly not awake this morning - apologies. 

theoretica

What you didn't ask is 'what would it cost if the local residents offered to pay for the pole to be moved'.  If it is legally where it is and you cannot demand the move but only ask that might be an option...

goonergaz70

JuzaMum said:

It really irritates me when people park on pavements. It shows a complete lack of consideration for parents with buggys and the disabled. I live in an area with little off road parking. People used to park on the corners which made things very difficult for the bin lorries. Now we have double yellow lines on the corners and if you park on them on bin day you soon get a ticket.

Me too, I hate it - good job we are not parking on pavements but on the grass verge and the pavement is still plenty wide for double buggies etc.

justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

No,  it will cause other problems - but having said that, this parking is not acceptable as it's blocking the pathways.Section62 said:

Spendless said:

Your description of where your road is, says why you have problems with parking, it's because it's close to certain aminities.

From the OP's description I took it that the lack of parking was due to it being a local authority estate originally which wasn't provided with (adequate) off-street parking when built.

This is a common problem - many of these estates were built at a time when private car ownership wasn't very high, and in many cases assumptions were made about the affordability of private cars to the people occupying LA homes.

Times have changed, and not only has the affordability of private cars become easier, the need for people residing in the estates to own and use a car is often greater than in other (less affordable) areas within the locality.

It ca be a real issue, and I can see why the OP is concerned about the loss of further parking opportunity (albeit one which isn't strictly allowed perhaps)

Thanks for the understanding and it's nail on the head.

Spendless said:

Is it outside your house? Your first post says 'across the road'. if it's your neighbours then I'd leave them to deal with it unless they  specifically wish you to all join forces in seeing if anything can be altered from it's current position.

Your description of where your road is, says why you have problems with parking, it's because it's close to certain aminities. When I moved to my property over 20 years ago, I knew it was near a school. I checked out the parking in advance. It didn't quite come up to/only came up to my house. 20 years on, there's more cars because the catchment area has expanded due to new builds on sites where previously there was no housing. As much as I can I avoid school run times eg my Nan's funeral left from my house last week, I specifically asked the funeral drectors for a time outside school drop off/collection. My parents didn't want Nan leaving from their place - 2 streets away because they live in a cul-de-sac and knew it had the potential to be difficult.

I'd just  sort out my own life with regards to parking my vehicle. If it impacts on you too much I'd consider moving. 

Exactly this, though moving is easier said than done after 20 odd years in one house! It may not be directly my issue but it will affect me indirectly, TBH I was just seeing if there was a way to object but clearly there is not.

goonergaz70

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

Do you actually think about the practical implications of this? If everyone did this you push the problem down the line...the long and the short of it is (like the roads) there is not enough capacity to fit the peak demands. Along our street the answer would be to remove the grass verges and widen the road. That would obviously cost significant money, but maybe could be funded by the parking permit scheme...I don't know, just a thought.

This estate was built over 100 years ago now and as such was  never designed for all houses to have cars, let alone 2 or more - it's just the way life has changed.  When I purchased this house 20 years ago I looked into the parking etc and it was very good, now we have an explosion of car ownership and an marked increase in company owned vans...life changes and maybe the design of 100 years ago needs a tweak to keep up with the times.     

Paully28

If people park on pavements and their cars accidentally get scratched then so be it. 

baser999

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

Where I live you DO have to park on the curb, at least two-wheels up, and there are bays that are marked out accordingly for that purpose by the council