New telegraph pole installed, would like it moved - please help!

goonergaz70

Sorry if this is the wrong place...

Long story short, I woke up one morning to see across the road a newly installed telegraph pole. It's really frustrating for several issues (other than the obvious fact it's an eye sore!). But main issue is that the street is really tight for parking and the idiots who marked up the plan didn't think to take this into consideration (assuming as it's parking on the 'curb' vs the road).

Many of the houses here have drives, but (like many older properties) they were designed with a certain amount of cars in mind - now days people have several cars per house, buying houses with no drive and having 2 cars, they guy down the road has at least 5 cars on the street and so on.

I caught up with the installers a couple days after installation (they returned to straighten the pole) and the main issue seems to be that although cars were asked to be moved to allow the installation, no-one thought to question the installers - apparently they have a plan with an 'x' and have a 2mtr movement allowance, if they had moved it 2mtrs to one side that strip could still take 2 cars, but now it can only take one.

I mentioned this (politely) and he said if someone had said at the time they could have, but now it's too late. He also said,  if I complain, don't use parking spaces as reason because it will be thrown out. I suggested property devaluation (although it's outside the only council house) and he suggested it was for the fast fibre so actually would increase the value of property. He also said asking to move it (rather than remove) would be the best option.

So, before I go further I'm asking of there's any guidance on this kind of thing out there.

Thanks in advance       

Ayr_Rage

That "strip" looks like a pavement to me and not a car parking area.

justwhat

So you want it removed/moved, so you can continue parking on the footpath ?

diystarter7

Hi OP

Sorry, but do you park on the pavement or is it turning circle?

Btw, did you get anny prior warning, etc?

Thanks in advance

Section62

goonergaz70 said:

So, before I go further I'm asking of there's any guidance on this kind of thing out there.

Your statutory rights are as per the notice.

Unless the council has authorised parking on the 'verge', sooner or later someone would have come along and done something to stop people parking as they do.  There appears to be an OpenReach chamber next to the post, and so very likely OpenReach ducting underneath the 'verge'.  Vehicle wheels running over this are could lead to the ducting (if present) getting damaged.

Complaining to the council is more likely than not to get the parking stopped entirely. It might be better to keep quiet and keep at least one space (for the time being).

Eldi_Dos

@goonergaz70
     You are right about the pole possibly being in the wrong place but for the wrong reason.

It is normal good practice to instal a pole so it is in line with the boundary of the properties,for sightline purposes and if someone wanted a dropped kerb and driveway the pole installed in line with boundary would not be in the way of that.There may be services in the verge at that location which led to present position being chosen.

The installers ( who do not deserve to be called derogatory names) were trying to guide you as to the best course to take.

If you do want to take it further get in touch with Toob as per notice attached to pole.

The only thing I could query about that instal is if they are going to put some top dressing and seed on the verge to make good.

goonergaz70

Ayr_Rage said:

That "strip" looks like a pavement to me and not a car parking area.

justwhat said:

So you want it removed/moved, so you can continue parking on the footpath ?

Ok, so here's the thing. If you park on the road legitimately there's no space to drive down the road and would obviously cause major issues for fire engines, ambulances and other emergency vehicles to access etc let alone delivery vans. There is plenty of pathway (as the picture shows) enough to walk side by side down - if the verges didn't exist it wouldn't affect anyone other than make the road a safer place to navigate.  

Grizebeck said:

justwhat said:

So you want it removed/moved, so you can continue parking on the footpath ?

Got it in one
I see no issue with where its been placed.
The OP needs to get over it

Thanks for your input. FWIW if you think I'm bad, think about the people who have threatened me for parking on 'their' special space outside there house - to the point of knocking on my front door and calling me all sorts of lovely names on a Friday night after a long week of stressful work. 

diystarter7 said:

Hi OP

Sorry, but do you park on the pavement or is it turning circle?

Btw, did you get anny prior warning, etc?

Thanks in advance

Not for me, and apparently neither the house it lovingly blocks light to.

Section62 said:

goonergaz70 said:

So, before I go further I'm asking of there's any guidance on this kind of thing out there.

Your statutory rights are as per the notice.

Unless the council has authorised parking on the 'verge', sooner or later someone would have come along and done something to stop people parking as they do.  There appears to be an OpenReach chamber next to the post, and so very likely OpenReach ducting underneath the 'verge'.  Vehicle wheels running over this are could lead to the ducting (if present) getting damaged.

Complaining to the council is more likely than not to get the parking stopped entirely. It might be better to keep quiet and keep at least one space (for the time being)

Thanks, point taken. Be interesting to see how that could be done, like I said,  if everyone parked legally then no bin collections etc. 

Eldi_Dos said:

@goonergaz70
     You are right about the pole possibly being in the wrong place but for the wrong reason.

It is normal good practice to instal a pole so it is in line with the boundary of the properties,for sightline purposes and if someone wanted a dropped kerb and driveway the pole installed in line with boundary would not be in the way of that.There may be services in the verge at that location which led to present position being chosen.

The installers ( who do not deserve to be called derogatory names) were trying to guide you as to the best course to take.

If you do want to take it further get in touch with Toob as per notice attached to pole.

The only thing I could query about that instal is if they are going to put some top dressing and seed on the verge to make good.

Just to clarify on the bolded, I never called them any such things - and was completely polite and constructive to the point he even said how he appreciated my approach and wish everyone was more  like me. The idiots I'm referring too are the pencil pushers who probably never visited the area or indeed felt it might be an idea to speak to residents, I'm a great believer in getting buy-in on things that are going to negatively affect people.

And yes, 100% - I questioned why it wasn't placed on the boundary line for those very reasons, that's when they told me about the 2mtr rule and that would have been too far...it's just a shame I wasn't home when it happened because they seemed very nice guys who might have very well just put it the other side of the services cover which would allow for the extra space. 

Looks like it is what it is, just a shame  (like I said) that some common sense wasn't applied to the positioning. 

Alderbank

goonergaz70 said:

Thanks, point taken. Be interesting to see how that could be done, like I said,  if everyone parked legally then no bin collections etc. 

Only until the double yellow lines appear

goonergaz70

Alderbank said:

goonergaz70 said:

Thanks, point taken. Be interesting to see how that could be done, like I said,  if everyone parked legally then no bin collections etc. 

Only until the double yellow lines appear

Yeah, I don't think so lol worst case would be parking permits

edit - wow, just read some old posts from 2011 -  I had no idea they could just rock up with double yellows, crazy stuff. Even so, I doubt it based of other areas around me - makes you wonder though, what would happen...it would be an insanely bad move.

Eldi_Dos

Is that a disused water trough to the side of the blue bin?

Greatgimp

Eldi_Dos said:

Is that a disused water trough to the side of the blue bin?

... or a grave?