New telegraph pole installed, would like it moved - please help!

p00hsticks

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

Noneforit999

justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

It would just move the problem elsewhere. You can't reduce the amount of cars residents own by painting lines, they will just park on another road causing the same issue. The reality is that many terrace houses were built at a time where the residents either didn't own a car or only a few people had them. You can't change the fact they don't have driveways, nor can you force people not to have a car. I bet most of them would love a nice 3 bed detached house with a 3 car driveway but they can't afford it.

Painting lines achieves nothing other than to push the problem elsewhere.

New builds are different, they are usually done with 2 spaces per 3 bed dwelling and 3 per 4 bed but one often includes the garage which few use to park a car so they end up all over the roads which are narrow and pavement parking ensues. We lived in a new build previously and despite having a garage, it was almost impossible to use as the car door just about opened when inside and I had no hope of getting a baby out of a child seat, hardly like I can dump them on the driveway and then go into the garage. I didn't pavement park but I did park on the road, even just my car made it difficult for larger trucks etc to get past. 

user1977

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

What's all this "curb" krap about? We park on kerbs around here, and are proud of it.

Section62

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

So you think a disabled person who needs a car to get about has the option of parking somewhere else and walking to their home?  Or should they be forced to move house to somewhere with private parking?

In most of England (and Wales IIRC) it is still generally "legal" to park on the footway or verge.  In London (where footway and verge parking is specifically banned) councils have authorised footway parking fairly extensively because it is the sensible approach to a problem faced by local communities.  It is an intractable problem, so hopefully everyone contributing to this thread will refrain from demonising anyone.

p00hsticks

Section62 said:

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

So you think a disabled person who needs a car to get about has the option of parking somewhere else and walking to their home?  Or should they be forced to move house to somewhere with private parking?

I knew someone would play the disabled card in response to my post. 

Round my way, if a disabled person needs a parking space right outside their house, the local council will come and mark one out of the road for them if at all possible, 

One disabled person parking on the pavement and therefore potentially preventing a whole load of other equally disabled people in wheelchairs,  mobility scooters etc from freely getting about isn't exactly fair

Section62

p00hsticks said:

Section62 said:

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

So you think a disabled person who needs a car to get about has the option of parking somewhere else and walking to their home?  Or should they be forced to move house to somewhere with private parking?

I knew someone would play the disabled card in response to my post.

In which case, why use 'never'?

p00hsticks said:

Round my way, if a disabled person needs a parking space right outside their house, the local council will come and mark one out of the road for them if at all possible, 

One disabled person parking on the pavement and therefore potentially preventing a whole load of other equally disabled people in wheelchairs,  mobility scooters etc from freely getting about isn't exactly fair

Isn't the BiB just "play[ing] the disabled card" from a different angle though?

The truth of this is that councils have to balance the different needs of road users (they have legal duties to do this).  There is no single 'right' answer.  Just telling people to go and park somewhere else, or move house, is not a solution.

Niv

justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

Dead easy to say when it doesn't affect you. Clearly people are parking outside their homes (houses on both sides of the road). Double yellow one side and there is unlikely to be enough parking and then you end up with resentment / agro as those that now have double yellow lines outside their house park outside someone else house who now cant park their car there etc etc.

I do not believe there are really any quick fix answers. The best thing to have is dedicated parking areas for local residents then add double yellows. But that costs money and they need to find a space for that and, especially older housing stock, was not built with cars in mind.

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justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

And then it would be Mad Max every evening as there are twice as many cars as spaces.

It will get even worse as we transition to EVs and everyone wants to charge cheaply at home.

MattMattMattUK

Section62 said:

p00hsticks said:

Section62 said:

p00hsticks said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb.

You never HAVE to park on the curb.

 You CHOOSE to park on the curb because for whatever reason, you have decided to own a car, live in somewhere with no private parking, and are not willing to walk from wherever you can find a legal parking spot fully on the road to your house.

So you think a disabled person who needs a car to get about has the option of parking somewhere else and walking to their home?  Or should they be forced to move house to somewhere with private parking?

I knew someone would play the disabled card in response to my post.

In which case, why use 'never'?

p00hsticks said:

Round my way, if a disabled person needs a parking space right outside their house, the local council will come and mark one out of the road for them if at all possible, 

One disabled person parking on the pavement and therefore potentially preventing a whole load of other equally disabled people in wheelchairs,  mobility scooters etc from freely getting about isn't exactly fair

Isn't the BiB just "play[ing] the disabled card" from a different angle though?

The truth of this is that councils have to balance the different needs of road users (they have legal duties to do this).  There is no single 'right' answer.  Just telling people to go and park somewhere else, or move house, is not a solution.

It is not, because one has no legal right to park on the pavement, but one is required not to obstruct the pavement with a car and in many parts of the country are specifically prohibited from parking on the pavement. 

tooldle

Amazing how things have changed and 'on street' parking has become both acceptable and normal. Most would probably agree that it is not ok to take their bedroom furniture outside, and place in the road or across the pavement, yet from this thread it appears many think it is ok to place other personal possessions (their car), on the pavement or on the street. Now we are onto moving infrastructure to accommodate. 
I had a conversation a few weeks back with a motorist who was entirely blocking the only pavement on a nearby street.  The motorist explained, they were dropping off their disabled partner and couldn't temporarily park on the stree,t as it would inconvenience the other road users.  I suspect many who go everywhere on four wheels do not see that others use their legs to get about.