New telegraph pole installed, would like it moved - please help!

ProDave

Section62 said:

Sarahspangles said:

I suspect the tweak that is coming to keep up with the times will not be more parking, but more active travel and less car ownership.

This! A hundred years ago there were few cars and people walked or took trams to work. Now - suddenly - lots of people can work from home and taxi/train when they have to go in. So we’re probably past ‘peak car’ already. We’re just at the point where it may be cheaper to use taxis/hired vans than keep our second car.

Finally, having self-driving cars which could be sent away to find a parking spot elsewhere (or aimlessly drive round until needed) would increase vehicle use (and energy consumption) as well as increasing congestion.  If this becomes a 'thing', future governments may need to legislate to regulate use of such vehicles and prohibit (or punitively charge) trips which serve no purpose other than avoiding the need to park.

Some inventive programmer could make a self driving car park on a handy empty double yellow line, and move on as soon as it's sensors detect a traffic warden approaching.

tooldle

Section62 said:

tooldle said:

ProDave said:

theoretica said:

I am looking forward to self driving cars which can take themselves off out of the way and come when needed - either individually owned or from a communal pool.

While it might be better use of a resource, I cannot for the life of me see how it can possibly be better for the environment (which is what is driving change at the moment)?

Your own car sits outside your house until you want it, and it travels the distance you need to travel.

A shared self drive car has to get itself from wherever it is stored (which might be where its last customer left it) to your house, then travel the mileage that you want to travel.  That can only possibly result in the vehicle doing MORE miles, probably empty some of the time.  Nobody is ever going to persuade me that is better for the environment than your own car sitting there until needed.

You’ve forgotten the environmental impact of producing cars for individuals. One car shared amongst a group of people versus each of the group having their own car. As a bonus, less cars parked on streets and pavements means less obstructions.

How frequently do car clubs replace their vehicles because they are no longer 'new', look a bit tatty, or have clocked up so much mileage that the economics dictate they are traded on before becoming worthless?

How does that compare to the time the average individual will keep a car they own?

Car clubs are a great idea - but they do also give access to a vehicle to people who normally wouldn't consider buying and using one.  So if there were an environmental advantage of needing fewer cars being manufactured, it comes at the risk of people who would normally walk/cycle/use PT deciding to jump into the readily available shared car instead.

Hard to say as not all car clubs are commercial operations.

goonergaz70

Eldi_Dos said:

goonergaz70 said:

JuzaMum said:

It really irritates me when people park on pavements. It shows a complete lack of consideration for parents with buggys and the disabled. I live in an area with little off road parking. People used to park on the corners which made things very difficult for the bin lorries. Now we have double yellow lines on the corners and if you park on them on bin day you soon get a ticket.

Me too, I hate it - good job we are not parking on pavements but on the grass verge and the pavement is still plenty wide for double buggies etc.

justwhat said:

Sunsaru said:

Sadly there are some roads where you just have to park on the curb. I used to live in a street like that. Luckily the pavement was wide enough so that you could still get a buggy/wheelchair on the pavement. (We had a resident or 2 who used wheelchairs). The main reason for doing so was that it was a bus route as well. No complaints from the residents or pedestrians though you would get the odd Herbert parking so close you could barely get out your front door.

They are parking on the pavement because they are parking on both sides. Double yellow lines on one side of the road would sort that out                              

No,  it will cause other problems - but having said that, this parking is not acceptable as it's blocking the pathways.Section62 said:

Spendless said:

Your description of where your road is, says why you have problems with parking, it's because it's close to certain aminities.

From the OP's description I took it that the lack of parking was due to it being a local authority estate originally which wasn't provided with (adequate) off-street parking when built.

This is a common problem - many of these estates were built at a time when private car ownership wasn't very high, and in many cases assumptions were made about the affordability of private cars to the people occupying LA homes.

Times have changed, and not only has the affordability of private cars become easier, the need for people residing in the estates to own and use a car is often greater than in other (less affordable) areas within the locality.

It ca be a real issue, and I can see why the OP is concerned about the loss of further parking opportunity (albeit one which isn't strictly allowed perhaps)

Thanks for the understanding and it's nail on the head.

Spendless said:

Is it outside your house? Your first post says 'across the road'. if it's your neighbours then I'd leave them to deal with it unless they  specifically wish you to all join forces in seeing if anything can be altered from it's current position.

Your description of where your road is, says why you have problems with parking, it's because it's close to certain aminities. When I moved to my property over 20 years ago, I knew it was near a school. I checked out the parking in advance. It didn't quite come up to/only came up to my house. 20 years on, there's more cars because the catchment area has expanded due to new builds on sites where previously there was no housing. As much as I can I avoid school run times eg my Nan's funeral left from my house last week, I specifically asked the funeral drectors for a time outside school drop off/collection. My parents didn't want Nan leaving from their place - 2 streets away because they live in a cul-de-sac and knew it had the potential to be difficult.

I'd just  sort out my own life with regards to parking my vehicle. If it impacts on you too much I'd consider moving. 

 TBH I was just seeing if there was a way to object but clearly there is not.

But there is as clearly explained in notice attached to pole and as guided by the installers.

Yes, I'm talking about legit reasons, we can't use the loss of parking space and enjoyment of space (or whatever) seems like it won't be a goer - any complaints could end up with double yellows or permits which bring their own issues.

goonergaz70

Sarahspangles said:

I suspect the tweak that is coming to keep up with the times will not be more parking, but more active travel and less car ownership.

This! A hundred years ago there were few cars and people walked or took trams to work. Now - suddenly - lots of people can work from home and taxi/train when they have to go in. So we’re probably past ‘peak car’ already. We’re just at the point where it may be cheaper to use taxis/hired vans than keep our second car.

It's an interesting thought, the issue is often you need a car at short notice for something - but we were discussing this, a way to better utilise our cars and potentially sell one. Issue is no-one else likely gives a !!!!!! anyway and we end up with the same issue as the guy across the road buys yet another car and parks it permanently outside our house (hence we're still in the same situ even though we sacrificed a car to try and help)! 

goonergaz70

ProDave said:

theoretica said:

I am looking forward to self driving cars which can take themselves off out of the way and come when needed - either individually owned or from a communal pool.

While it might be better use of a resource, I cannot for the life of me see how it can possibly be better for the environment (which is what is driving change at the moment)?

Your own car sits outside your house until you want it, and it travels the distance you need to travel.

A shared self drive car has to get itself from wherever it is stored (which might be where it's last customer left it) to your house, then travel the mileage that you want to travel.  That can only possibly result in the vehicle doing MORE miles, probably empty some of the time.  Nobody is ever going to persuade me that is better for the environment than your own car sitting there until needed.

No, but maybe there could be a neighbourhood/street pool car (or the like)?

 

Sarahspangles

Issue is no-one else likely gives a !!!!!! anyway and we end up with the same issue as the guy across the road buys yet another car and parks it permanently outside our house (hence we're still in the same situ even though we sacrificed a car to try and help)! 

When I worked in Local Government someone told me this is called ‘The Tragedy of the Commons’ and even if a few are altruistic the tendency is for most to say ‘Well if he can do it…”.   Parking charges and enforcement are really just ways of recovering the cost of rationing a scarce resource.  The fact charges jump for all day parking(by employees) reflects the fact you’re not renting space, you’re tying up parking that could be used by multiple shoppers who will benefit the local economy by more than your lunch hour sandwich.  

35har1old

Ayr_Rage said:

That "strip" looks like a pavement to me and not a car parking area.

I think it used to be a grass verge

35har1old

goonergaz70 said:

Sorry if this is the wrong place...

Long story short, I woke up one morning to see across the road a newly installed telegraph pole. It's really frustrating for several issues (other than the obvious fact it's an eye sore!). But main issue is that the street is really tight for parking and the idiots who marked up the plan didn't think to take this into consideration (assuming as it's parking on the 'curb' vs the road).

Many of the houses here have drives, but (like many older properties) they were designed with a certain amount of cars in mind - now days people have several cars per house, buying houses with no drive and having 2 cars, they guy down the road has at least 5 cars on the street and so on.

I caught up with the installers a couple days after installation (they returned to straighten the pole) and the main issue seems to be that although cars were asked to be moved to allow the installation, no-one thought to question the installers - apparently they have a plan with an 'x' and have a 2mtr movement allowance, if they had moved it 2mtrs to one side that strip could still take 2 cars, but now it can only take one.

I mentioned this (politely) and he said if someone had said at the time they could have, but now it's too late. He also said,  if I complain, don't use parking spaces as reason because it will be thrown out. I suggested property devaluation (although it's outside the only council house) and he suggested it was for the fast fibre so actually would increase the value of property. He also said asking to move it (rather than remove) would be the best option.

So, before I go further I'm asking of there's any guidance on this kind of thing out there.

Thanks in advance       

Is that a underground telephone supply box adjacent to base of pole ?
If it is that's why the pole is there.

Section62

35har1old said:

goonergaz70 said:

 

Is that a underground telephone supply box adjacent to base of pole ?
If it is that's why the pole is there.

The pole doesn't have to be immediately adjacent to the chamber. (hence the work instruction giving a 2m allowance in this case)

35har1old

Section62 said:

35har1old said:

goonergaz70 said:

 

Is that a underground telephone supply box adjacent to base of pole ?
If it is that's why the pole is there.

The pole doesn't have to be immediately adjacent to the chamber. (hence the work instruction giving a 2m allowance in this case)

Moving it 2m would put it very close to the driveway of the house with the blue bin which has not be altered like the adjacent house making way for a second car entry it would stop that household doing the same.
Also the excavation then would be in a tarmac footpath opposed to a grass verge. Pole hole and a track 1.5m in tarmac plus grass verge to box. Which then would involve a guarantee period.
Moving it in the other direction is likely not possible due to underground cables or ducting going to box
Pole should have been erected at back of footpath