Do EDF Install Economy 10 Meters and other Energy help questions

bery_451

dunstonh said:

Phoned EDF and they say they don't do Economy 10 for Residential anymore, only for commercial. Even tried asking for Economy 7 but they say they stopped fitting that like 15 years ago as its outdated they say. They say they can only offer a smart meter installation. Can anyone confirm this is the case now? If not how do you get a economy 10 meter?

They would have stopped fitting the old circuit switching style E7 15 or so years ago but they were happily issuing digital meters that supported e7 before the switch to smart meters, which also have E7 capability.

Okay do you happen to know any energy supplies that still fit the digital Economy meters without a smart meter?

bery_451

bristolleedsfan said:

bery_451 said:

Mobtr said:

EDF still do Economy 7 but it will be a smart meter and will only be installed if there is communication to the meter. 

With regards to hardship funds, I believe they are paid to people in arrears to their energy company and it usually is the amount of the balance to clear it not to put you in credit. They tend to be paid to those who try to help themselves, not those who just don’t pay at all so you can’t just not pay your bills for months & get it cleared, you need to be seen to be trying 

Do you happen to know any energy supplier that do Economy meters but not digitally through a smart meter? 

Might be worth asking SSE/OVO if they are able to fit economy 10 meter if you are willing to pay installation fee.

Okay just to clarify its the digital version not the smart version? I ask because people get confused thinking digital and smart are the same you know what I mean.

bristolleedsfan

bery_451 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

bery_451 said:

Mobtr said:

EDF still do Economy 7 but it will be a smart meter and will only be installed if there is communication to the meter. 

With regards to hardship funds, I believe they are paid to people in arrears to their energy company and it usually is the amount of the balance to clear it not to put you in credit. They tend to be paid to those who try to help themselves, not those who just don’t pay at all so you can’t just not pay your bills for months & get it cleared, you need to be seen to be trying 

Do you happen to know any energy supplier that do Economy meters but not digitally through a smart meter? 

Might be worth asking SSE/OVO if they are able to fit economy 10 meter if you are willing to pay installation fee.

Okay just to clarify its the digital version not the smart version? I ask because people get confused thinking digital and smart are the same you know what I mean.

Over the years I have read more people having Econ 10 with SSE than anyone else, this was reason I mentioned "might be worth asking"

https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/economy-10

Keep_pedalling

bery_451 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

From a previous thread you are using gas CH, so why do you think E7 would be your best option? 

Economy 7 or 10 can still save money as the fridge is running 24/7, also in those off peak hours in Economy 7 or 10 you can use electric heaters to warm up your property instead of gas CH which works out to be cheaper right?

No, the cost to use your fridge and freezer would be more expensive at you would get 7 hours cheaper than your current rate but 17 hours at a higher rate. Everything else you run during the park rate would also become more expensive. 

As for heating the house while you are in bed that is going to cost you more than the marginal saving on gas not having to raise the temperature so far first thing in the morning. The only time some form of variable rates will suit you will be if you buy an EV or install a battery storage system.

Jyana

Yep, everything you run through the daytime hours will become around 20p more expensive - at the current rates - and you would have to shift around 40%+ of your usage to the off peak times in order to see any savings.

Astria

bery_451 said:

Mobtr said:

EDF still do Economy 7 but it will be a smart meter and will only be installed if there is communication to the meter. 

With regards to hardship funds, I believe they are paid to people in arrears to their energy company and it usually is the amount of the balance to clear it not to put you in credit. They tend to be paid to those who try to help themselves, not those who just don’t pay at all so you can’t just not pay your bills for months & get it cleared, you need to be seen to be trying 

Okay just to clarify there is no actual Economy 7 meter fitted in the property, but its now done on a smart meter? Do you mean communication to the Economy 7 meter or to a normal meter?

Do you happen to know any energy supplier that do Economy meters but not digitally through a smart meter? What it is I would like a smart meter but from what I seeing on TV about the government new proposals to reduce global warming co2 is to introduce a carbon tax, a carbon credits system by estimate 2025 where energy users buy carbon credits to offset their carbon footprint and smart meters knows how much carbon your property produces in g grams. For example showering twice a day produces more co2 than a person who showers once a day because gas boiler heats the water resulting in more emissions from the boiler so the government may introduce a law where you required to buy carbon credits to offset your excess co2 emissions. Maybe 1 carbon credit may offset 10grams of carbon dioxide co2, who knows what system the government has in place in future but what one thing that we all know and we can agree on is smart meters are called smart because they are smart for a reason.

Even if you don't have a smart meter, you will still be billed based on units used, so if you use 10 units of energy you will be billed the extra tax for the carbon emissions on those units regardless of meter type. In fact, you could end up paying more if you don't have a smart meter because you will eventually be put on legacy tariffs with higher costs than those available to smart meter users. This is already the case in some situations.

bery_451

Keep_pedalling said:

bery_451 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

From a previous thread you are using gas CH, so why do you think E7 would be your best option? 

Economy 7 or 10 can still save money as the fridge is running 24/7, also in those off peak hours in Economy 7 or 10 you can use electric heaters to warm up your property instead of gas CH which works out to be cheaper right?

No, the cost to use your fridge and freezer would be more expensive at you would get 7 hours cheaper than your current rate but 17 hours at a higher rate. Everything else you run during the park rate would also become more expensive. 

As for heating the house while you are in bed that is going to cost you more than the marginal saving on gas not having to raise the temperature so far first thing in the morning. The only time some form of variable rates will suit you will be if you buy an EV or install a battery storage system.

Okay cheers just to clarify Economy 7 or 10 tariffs have more expensive electricity price per kWh for peak hours in compared to normal/fixed/variable tariffs that millions of people are on? If so only the off-peak hours of economy 7 or 10 have cheaper electricity rates?

Gerry1

bery_451 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

bery_451 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

From a previous thread you are using gas CH, so why do you think E7 would be your best option? 

Economy 7 or 10 can still save money as the fridge is running 24/7, also in those off peak hours in Economy 7 or 10 you can use electric heaters to warm up your property instead of gas CH which works out to be cheaper right?

No, the cost to use your fridge and freezer would be more expensive at you would get 7 hours cheaper than your current rate but 17 hours at a higher rate. Everything else you run during the park rate would also become more expensive. 

As for heating the house while you are in bed that is going to cost you more than the marginal saving on gas not having to raise the temperature so far first thing in the morning. The only time some form of variable rates will suit you will be if you buy an EV or install a battery storage system.

Okay cheers just to clarify Economy 7 or 10 tariffs have more expensive electricity price per kWh for peak hours in compared to normal/fixed/variable tariffs that millions of people are on? If so only the off-peak hours of economy 7 or 10 have cheaper electricity rates?

That's the way it's always been, ever since the White Meter (8hr cheap rate) days.  Before the energy crisis the break even point for E7 could be as low as 15 - 20% with some suppliers, but now the spread between rates can be far greater.  Do your sums carefully !

matelodave

bery_451 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

bery_451 said:

Keep_pedalling said:

From a previous thread you are using gas CH, so why do you think E7 would be your best option? 

Economy 7 or 10 can still save money as the fridge is running 24/7, also in those off peak hours in Economy 7 or 10 you can use electric heaters to warm up your property instead of gas CH which works out to be cheaper right?

No, the cost to use your fridge and freezer would be more expensive at you would get 7 hours cheaper than your current rate but 17 hours at a higher rate. Everything else you run during the park rate would also become more expensive. 

As for heating the house while you are in bed that is going to cost you more than the marginal saving on gas not having to raise the temperature so far first thing in the morning. The only time some form of variable rates will suit you will be if you buy an EV or install a battery storage system.

Okay cheers just to clarify Economy 7 or 10 tariffs have more expensive electricity price per kWh for peak hours in compared to normal/fixed/variable tariffs that millions of people are on? If so only the off-peak hours of economy 7 or 10 have cheaper electricity rates?

Exactly, and in general peak rates are significantly more than off-peak rates so you need to be able to shift around 40% or more of your consumption to off-peak to make it viable and E10 peak rates can be really high.

You really need to do your sums and to decide whether you can adjust your lifestyle to use maximum leccy during the night and minimum during the day which means washing, ironing and even showering between midnight and 7am if you've got an electric shower.. Heating hot water overnight with an immersion is viable but still generally more expensive than using gas unless you can get an off-peak rate of less than around 11-12p/kwh whilst gas is still 10.3p/kwh.

EssexHebridean

As an example, across in the Eastern region I'm currently paying 16p/kWh during off peak, but 48p/kWh during peak times.

The theory about using electric heaters to hear your property during the off peak times stumbles on two points I'd say - the first is how much heating do you want in your property overnight - my current Off peak timeslot is 0011 > 0711 for example. Also electricity is still more expensive than gas - so on my rates gas would be cheaper if I was just using standard electric heaters (which I'm not). 

We shift a huge amount of load to overnight/off peak - including weekday showers when even at this time of year we can both just about get in there ahead of the rate switch. It's not happening at weekends though!