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  • coastline
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    edited 22 March 2023 at 12:34PM
    As the jargon goes Mondays markets saw a huge reversal during the day . Can be seen in the candlestick chart below. Low was 7200 and ended the day at 7400. Similar candle last October for a low.

    FTSE 100 Index, UK:UKX Advanced Chart - (FTSE UK) UK:UKX, FTSE 100 Index Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)

    Hammer Candlestick Patterns: A Trader’s Guide (dailyfx.com)

    As I said earlier waiting for price to go above 10 day moving average can cost vital points in entry from oversold levels . It's there today but I moved last week to buy. You've got to make the call from the lows but at least I've got more units in ISF.L than before . That's the main target to increase your units . Could have gone even lower and usually does in a mini crisis etc which is what we are seeing at the moment. That could be it but who knows. Anyway the FTSE is 300 points above its lows or 4% already.
    I've added some momentum indicators as a guide when price is trending higher . Simply above the ZERO line is good and below alert. Kind of links up with the moving average on the chart. So we hold for now and see when stochastic heads to overbought. That will be the selling region.

     FTSE 100 Index, UK:UKX Advanced Chart - (FTSE UK) UK:UKX, FTSE 100 Index Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)
  • NedS
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    edited 22 March 2023 at 1:04PM
    coastline said:
    As the jargon goes Mondays markets saw a huge reversal during the day . Can be seen in the candlestick chart below. Low was 7200 and ended the day at 7400. Similar candle last October for a low.

    FTSE 100 Index, UK:UKX Advanced Chart - (FTSE UK) UK:UKX, FTSE 100 Index Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)

    Hammer Candlestick Patterns: A Trader’s Guide (dailyfx.com)


    Tell me about it. I bought some LGEN at 216p early Monday morning for the income portfolio, timing it just about perfectly. Was up 10% within 24h. Currently up 2.6% on the last CTY trade, which went lower and rebounded strongly along with the FTSE100.
    No idea where we are headed from here, but volatility is a good thing as we can leverage it to increase our holdings as you say. Regarding levels, I'm broadly HOLD for now on CTY, REDUCE above 420p, SELL above 440p, and BUY with new capital below 375p. I'm fully invested now in my SIPP but Mrs_S has a large chunk of cash still to deploy if things take a material turn for the worse.


  • coastline
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    NedS said:
    coastline said:
    As the jargon goes Mondays markets saw a huge reversal during the day . Can be seen in the candlestick chart below. Low was 7200 and ended the day at 7400. Similar candle last October for a low.

    FTSE 100 Index, UK:UKX Advanced Chart - (FTSE UK) UK:UKX, FTSE 100 Index Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)

    Hammer Candlestick Patterns: A Trader’s Guide (dailyfx.com)


    Tell me about it. I bought some LGEN at 216p early Monday morning for the income portfolio, timing it just about perfectly. Was up 10% within 24h. Currently up 2.6% on the last CTY trade, which went lower and rebounded strongly along with the FTSE100.
    No idea where we are headed from here, but volatility is a good thing as we can leverage it to increase our holdings as you say. Regarding levels, I'm broadly HOLD for now on CTY, REDUCE above 420p, SELL above 440p, and BUY with new capital below 375p. I'm fully invested now in my SIPP but Mrs_S has a large chunk of cash still to deploy if things take a material turn for the worse.


    Looking at indicators on here Stochastic and Williams hugged the lower region and never curled up. They've been more than useful for a low call. Again as I suggested waiting to hit the moving average would have been a late call. This is where gut feel comes in making a call in a crisis. In general there isn't a crisis just a boat floating on the waves and calls can be more accurate. It's never perfect but so far so good and 9 months left in the year. 

    Legal & General Group PLC, UK:LGEN Advanced Chart - (LON) UK:LGEN, Legal & General Group PLC Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)

    City of London Investment Trust PLC, UK:CTY Advanced Chart - (LON) UK:CTY, City of London Investment Trust PLC Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)
  • coastline
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    edited 4 April 2023 at 10:13AM
    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    Sold ISF.L at 765.40p today .Units sold 13,065 . Notional 100K is now £99,987.05p with the £12.95 fee.

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    BUY ISF.L  at 744.30

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    SELL ISF.L at 749.22

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    29 MAR      DIV            4.28   13432    £100,549
    31 MAR      SELL      749.22  13432    £101,197.17
  • NedS
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    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    Sold ISF.L at 765.40p today .Units sold 13,065 . Notional 100K is now £99,987.05p with the £12.95 fee.

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    BUY ISF.L  at 744.30

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    SELL ISF.L at 749.22

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    31 MAR      SELL      749.22  13432    £100,622.28
    What's the rationale for today's sell?

  • NedS
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    NedS said:
    NedS said:

    Updating the position for the drip feeding strategy for last day of month (Feb):
    28/02/2023 purchase 1260 shares at 425.5p (the mid point of the days trades) including 0.5% stamp duty and £11.95 trading fee (no £1 levy as less than £10k)
    Price = £5400.06
    CTY shares bought: 1260
    CTY Share Total: 3830
    Cash position: £59037.25 - £5400.06 = £53637.19
    Total Value: (3830 x 425.5p) + £53637.19 cash = £69993.84

    Bought back in today just below my target price:

    My position:
    Shares: 18,000 shares @ cost of £71,770.55 (18000 shares @ 396.67p + 0.5% Stamp Duty + £12.95 fees)
    Cash: £16.09

    Latest hypothetical drip feeding purchase on last day of month (31/3/2023):
    1300 shares at 414p including 0.5% stamp duty and £11.95 trading fee (no £1 levy as less than £10k)
    Price = £5420.86
    CTY shares bought: 1300
    CTY Share Total: 5130
    Cash position: £53637.19 - £5420.86 = £48216.30
    Total Value: (5130 x 414p) + £48216.30 cash = £69454.50

    My position:
    Shares: 18,000 shares at 414p = £74520
    Cash: £16.09

    So I'm £5k up on a drip feeding strategy after 3 months.


  • coastline
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    edited 31 March 2023 at 7:24PM
    NedS said:
    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    Sold ISF.L at 765.40p today .Units sold 13,065 . Notional 100K is now £99,987.05p with the £12.95 fee.

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    BUY ISF.L  at 744.30

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    SELL ISF.L at 749.22

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    31 MAR      SELL      749.22  13432    £100,622.28
    What's the rationale for today's sell?

    Part system and part me. SP 500 is heading overbought on stochastic and might be the end of this mini run in recent days. ? Can't ignore the US. We shall see ?

    $SPX | SharpCharts | StockCharts.com

    On fast stochastic and Williams %R set up the FTSE is overbought . That's not to say it can't remain overbought and go higher ? My favoured set up on IC site and Stockcharts has also hit that territory. My call so we see. It's been a tricky market with a flat wave followed by that mini banking crisis . I made a call and even a day later I would have been in at a much lower price. These calls are from my ISA but my SIPP calls have been way better as I was in at 720.p and also sold today. Still the original 13065 units at close today would have been 13065 x 748.9 = £97844. Ex Div to add shortly when it paid out. 

     FTSE 100 Index, UK:UKX Advanced Chart - (FTSE UK) UK:UKX, FTSE 100 Index Stock Price - BigCharts.com (marketwatch.com)

    Indicators can be loaded onto these charts to show similar.

    S&P 500 Chart (SP500) - ADVFN Charts

    FTSE 100 Chart (UKX) - ADVFN Charts
  • NedS
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    Might not be a bad call, we've had a decent bounce in the last two weeks and if the downward trend continues. The S&P500 is certainly about to meet resistance from the downward trend line from Aug 22 and Feb 23 highs at somewhere around 4150. All the commentary I'm reading suggests a fall of 15% from here might represent a decent entry point for new capital. Earnings are everything from here as clearly the market is currently prepared to brush off shocks, and no asset classes other than equities looks attractive at present and the money has to go somewhere.
    I'm sitting tight at the moment as CTY is ex-dividend on 27/4/23, and last time I started tapering out, the SP pushed higher and I lost some dividends too (although holding cash now yields 4% at no risk).

  • NedS
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    NedS said:
    NedS said:
    NedS said:

    Updating the position for the drip feeding strategy for last day of month (Feb):
    28/02/2023 purchase 1260 shares at 425.5p (the mid point of the days trades) including 0.5% stamp duty and £11.95 trading fee (no £1 levy as less than £10k)
    Price = £5400.06
    CTY shares bought: 1260
    CTY Share Total: 3830
    Cash position: £59037.25 - £5400.06 = £53637.19
    Total Value: (3830 x 425.5p) + £53637.19 cash = £69993.84

    Bought back in today just below my target price:

    My position:
    Shares: 18,000 shares @ cost of £71,770.55 (18000 shares @ 396.67p + 0.5% Stamp Duty + £12.95 fees)
    Cash: £16.09

    Latest hypothetical drip feeding purchase on last day of month (31/3/2023):
    1300 shares at 414p including 0.5% stamp duty and £11.95 trading fee (no £1 levy as less than £10k)
    Price = £5420.86
    CTY shares bought: 1300
    CTY Share Total: 5130
    Cash position: £53637.19 - £5420.86 = £48216.30
    Total Value: (5130 x 414p) + £48216.30 cash = £69454.50

    My position:
    Shares: 18,000 shares at 414p = £74520
    Cash: £16.09

    So I'm £5k up on a drip feeding strategy after 3 months.


    No updates from me.
    My position:
    Shares: 18,000 shares at 422p = £75960
    Cash: £16.09

    Latest hypothetical drip feeding purchase on last day of month (30/4/2023):
    1270 shares at 422p (last closing price) including 0.5% stamp duty and £11.95 trading fee (no £1 levy as less than £10k)
    Price = £5398.15
    CTY shares bought: 1270
    CTY Share Total: 6400
    Cash position: £48,216.30 - £ 5,398.15 = £42,818.15
    Total Value: (6400 x 422p) + £42,818.15 cash = £69826.15

  • coastline
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    edited 15 June 2023 at 11:04AM
    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    coastline said:
    Sold ISF.L at 765.40p today .Units sold 13,065 . Notional 100K is now £99,987.05p with the £12.95 fee.

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    BUY ISF.L  at 744.30

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    SELL ISF.L at 749.22

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    29 MAR      DIV            4.28   13432    £100,549
    31 MAR      SELL      749.22  13432    £101,197.17
    BUY ISF.L at 756.30

     DATE    BUY/SELL   ISF.L    UNITS       VALUE           
    18 JAN       SELL      765.40  13065     £99,987.05
    14 MAR      BUY       744.30  13432     £99,974.10
    29 MAR      DIV            4.28   13432    £100,549
    31 MAR      SELL      749.22  13432    £101,197.17
    10 MAY       BUY       756.30  13379    £101,184.22 
    15 JUNE     DIV           10.40  13379   £102,575.63 
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