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MSE News: £200 Alternative Fuel Payment to be paid 'in the New Year'
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[Deleted User] said:Most sensible people have to buy & store their fuel ahead of winter.
I like to head into Winter with the boiler running on fumes, knowing that I'm bound to get the very best price if I order when I'm snowed-in. Makes perfect sense
(Also, black is white, up is down and left is right
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Lol
At least your tongue in cheek post is amusing (rather than some that are far from helpful. )
If the ball had gone in the net it would have been a goal.If my Auntie had been a man she'd have been my Uncle.2 -
Some movement, but still doesn't address the elephant in the room for purchases for the winter prior to Sep22. And the disparity of the automatic recipients of the allowance not needing any proof or receipts.
If the ball had gone in the net it would have been a goal.If my Auntie had been a man she'd have been my Uncle.0 -
Martin is often wrong on things. Just look at oil prices and you will not see Summer as being a notable influence for many a year.kar999 said:dunstonh said:Most sensible people have to buy & store their fuel ahead of winter.No they don't. Only people that believe that old wives' tale do that. It may have been more accurate decades ago but it is no longer the case that Summer is the best time.
Also, in reference to "most", I believe you will find that "most" people do not have the tank capacity to fill up just once a year and require multiple fill-ups. The average oil use is greater than the average tank size. So, whilst some could cover a year, many cannot.
Maybe you should have a word with Martin if you consider his advice on this site is an old wives tale and you apparently know better....
The two biggest influences, in normal times is China's economy and exchange rates. neither of which are mentioned by Martin.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
Posted a reply on one the other many threads. 🙂dunstonh said:
Martin is often wrong on things. Just look at oil prices and you will not see Summer as being a notable influence for many a year.kar999 said:dunstonh said:Most sensible people have to buy & store their fuel ahead of winter.No they don't. Only people that believe that old wives' tale do that. It may have been more accurate decades ago but it is no longer the case that Summer is the best time.
Also, in reference to "most", I believe you will find that "most" people do not have the tank capacity to fill up just once a year and require multiple fill-ups. The average oil use is greater than the average tank size. So, whilst some could cover a year, many cannot.
Maybe you should have a word with Martin if you consider his advice on this site is an old wives tale and you apparently know better....
The two biggest influences, in normal times is China's economy and exchange rates. neither of which are mentioned by Martin.If the ball had gone in the net it would have been a goal.If my Auntie had been a man she'd have been my Uncle.0 -
kar999 said:Some movement, but still doesn't address the elephant in the room for purchases for the winter prior to Sep22. And the disparity of the automatic recipients of the allowance not needing any proof or receipts.Yes indeed. I think various issues are being conflated here (1) what is the justification for making the AFPs at all (2) who is eligible, and (3) how you go about proving that eligibility.I'm really struggling to see any reasonable argument for excluding folks who use oil central heating simply because they filled up their tank before September. That flies in the face of all the information that has been published to date. Yes, there are valid arguments for and against making the AFP's at all, but given that the AFP's are now underway why make a distinction between someone who filled their tank in August and someone who filled it in September? There is no official line to explain this. Folk have been lead to believe they would be eligible and now there is a suggestion that they are not eligible without any reason being given for that. Surely that can't be right?The key word there is suggestion. There's nothing definitive anywhere that says the issue is one of eligibility - on the contrary, if you read most of the info on the Gov't website you would think you were eligible. It's only when you come to apply you find you can't because the only evidence they will accept is receipts dated after September. So is the issue really that you're not eligible, or is the issue that even though you're eligible you can't prove it? Who knows - you can read it however you want.One way or the other it's a sorry state of affairs indeed and although I usually find myself posting a sort of "to be fair to the Government, they do have a point" sort of post on this occasion I think that the "August fillers" have every right to be incensed and cannot think of any reasonable excuse for the complete lack of clarity.On a more positive note, Grant Shapps does strike me as being a pragmatic, reasonable kind of politician and given this seems to be so glaringly unfair (other than to those who don't think there should be AFPs at all) I'd be fairly confident there will be further changes to the rules around evidence to put things right.All IMHO of course1
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I completely agree with this, especially as they were told there would be help. Making an arbitrary cut off date is moving the goalposts, if they really intended it to apply to fuel bought after X date they should have said so.mmmmikey said:kar999 said:Some movement, but still doesn't address the elephant in the room for purchases for the winter prior to Sep22. And the disparity of the automatic recipients of the allowance not needing any proof or receipts.I'm really struggling to see any reasonable argument for excluding folks who use oil central heating simply because they filled up their tank before September. That flies in the face of all the information that has been published to date. Yes, there are valid arguments for and against making the AFP's at all, but given that the AFP's are now underway why make a distinction between someone who filled their tank in August and someone who filled it in September? There is no official line to explain this. Folk have been lead to believe they would be eligible and now there is a suggestion that they are not eligible without any reason being given for that. Surely that can't be right?…One way or the other it's a sorry state of affairs indeed and although I usually find myself posting a sort of "to be fair to the Government, they do have a point" sort of post on this occasion I think that the "August fillers" have every right to be incensed and cannot think of any reasonable excuse for the complete lack of clarity.1 -
Absolutely spot on .. Initially, £100 was promised in the Spring of 2022 so the expectation was there from then on. It's no good moving the goalposts and setting a discriminatory criteria for a sub section of alternative fuel users almost 12 months after the event.Spoonie_Turtle said:
I completely agree with this, especially as they were told there would be help. Making an arbitrary cut off date is moving the goalposts, if they really intended it to apply to fuel bought after X date they should have said so.mmmmikey said:kar999 said:Some movement, but still doesn't address the elephant in the room for purchases for the winter prior to Sep22. And the disparity of the automatic recipients of the allowance not needing any proof or receipts.I'm really struggling to see any reasonable argument for excluding folks who use oil central heating simply because they filled up their tank before September. That flies in the face of all the information that has been published to date. Yes, there are valid arguments for and against making the AFP's at all, but given that the AFP's are now underway why make a distinction between someone who filled their tank in August and someone who filled it in September? There is no official line to explain this. Folk have been lead to believe they would be eligible and now there is a suggestion that they are not eligible without any reason being given for that. Surely that can't be right?…One way or the other it's a sorry state of affairs indeed and although I usually find myself posting a sort of "to be fair to the Government, they do have a point" sort of post on this occasion I think that the "August fillers" have every right to be incensed and cannot think of any reasonable excuse for the complete lack of clarity.If the ball had gone in the net it would have been a goal.If my Auntie had been a man she'd have been my Uncle.0 -
The number of receipts was the only point mentioned on the Martin Lewis show. The timing issue and the information that needs to be on the receipts weren't covered at all. For those who have made multiple smaller purchases, I wonder how many kept their receipts and even if they did what are the chances those receipts will include names and addresses? Doubt a receipt from Home Bargains will have the right info on it.kar999 said:Some movement, but still doesn't address the elephant in the room for purchases for the winter prior to Sep22. And the disparity of the automatic recipients of the allowance not needing any proof or receipts.
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Ifs all akin to only telling you the rules of the game after the match has finished.Spoonie_Turtle said:
I completely agree with this, especially as they were told there would be help. Making an arbitrary cut off date is moving the goalposts, if they really intended it to apply to fuel bought after X date they should have said so.mmmmikey said:kar999 said:Some movement, but still doesn't address the elephant in the room for purchases for the winter prior to Sep22. And the disparity of the automatic recipients of the allowance not needing any proof or receipts.I'm really struggling to see any reasonable argument for excluding folks who use oil central heating simply because they filled up their tank before September. That flies in the face of all the information that has been published to date. Yes, there are valid arguments for and against making the AFP's at all, but given that the AFP's are now underway why make a distinction between someone who filled their tank in August and someone who filled it in September? There is no official line to explain this. Folk have been lead to believe they would be eligible and now there is a suggestion that they are not eligible without any reason being given for that. Surely that can't be right?…One way or the other it's a sorry state of affairs indeed and although I usually find myself posting a sort of "to be fair to the Government, they do have a point" sort of post on this occasion I think that the "August fillers" have every right to be incensed and cannot think of any reasonable excuse for the complete lack of clarity.3 -
The idea that governments get policy decision details correct first time is not supported by any historical evidence.
This is just another example of government carelessness with quite major consequences.
It will be corrected in due course.3
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