Ticketed less than 2 mins for unloading (Won at IAS Stage!)

Boat_to_Bolivia

KXL88 said:

I just hope they don't go ticketing cars that are covered with snow or have a 'frozen' windscreen and the permit not visible!

I expect they will! 

Coupon-mad

Is no-one objecting?

I'd cover myself if I were you, by putting in writing to the HA now that you have registered your vehicle because you were given no choice but you formally object to a notorious ex-clamper firm like NPE being inflicted on you all.

You do NOT accept any contract from the likes of NPE and will NOT accept any terms that involve a parking charge.  Your lease gives you primacy of contract and rights that this regime is attempting to interfere with, and you do not accept it.  Further, you disagree with surveillance 24/7 which breaches your privacy rights.

I'd add that you sincerely hope the HA hasn't been daft enough to sign up with this unsuitable agent for years, because the law is changing next year...did NPE forget to tell them?

KXL88

Coupon-mad said:

Is no-one objecting?

 Further, you disagree with surveillance 24/7 which breaches your privacy rights.

Regarding that.... no one yet. Will await our next RA meeting. I will be the annoying one that talks the most! 

However we got a letter in the post (now I'm guessing this might be just BS) from the new parking firm, but the letter stated that their CCTVs would 'black out' everything that was not monitoring cars and parking. Pfftt, who knows?

Forgot to mention, it's via the HA that i need to register my vehicle with, which I have. Then again it's also them that said 5 mins grace period in the contract, not in the eyes of Link...

BikingBud

diystarter7 said:

BikingBud said:

diystarter7 said:

BikingBud said:

diystarter7 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Changes nothing albeit never block a door (I doubt you blocked people getting in or out?).

Hi

"blocking" has a different meaning to different people, EG in the event of an emergency/fire etc, most able-bodied people could easily walk out quickly. However, someone with a walking aid and or walking aids, pram with kids, someone in a wheelchair -
when a fire  etc happens, people often panic and the last thing you want is a suv in from of a any door never mind a communal entrance. I'm with the HA on this one. Why should someone with a pram, or .wheelchair have to negotiate obstacles when there is no need for it to be there?

OP, people don't often think and I'm sure you have seen others do it, but sorry, I am now with the HA

Ask the HA for more signs, clearer signs, may be?

Good luck


Thanks

This would be covered by the risk assessment which would discuss the issue of blocked and limited access fully and identify a safe system with appropriate mitigation (allowance) for residents and delivery activities.

Oh wait a minute, maybe they haven't done that or perhaps given the suggested 5 min leeway they have accepted that the likelihood of a blocking event occurring is extremely remote, although you could surmise that different tenants could follow on for their own 5 mins leading to perpetual blocking. But again a well considered RA would cover this and perhaps prompt the installation of posts/bollards directly around the door area to prevent blocking of exits.

We don't know for sure but it all sounds weak to me.

Oh, wait a minute, the highlighted bit, "risk assessment" - wait a minute and this is why the ticketing people handed out the ticket.

because the parking breached the "risk assessment" you are referring to, yes!

thankfully we do not and have never lived in an apartment but I've visited many clients in the past that were fed up with people parking as they wished. I recall one time someone had parked in front of the communal doors and the car then would not open and was there for a few days until the owner decided to get it opened by a lock person and the residents there were livid.

Thanks

Thanks @diystarter7 as you will be aware many contributors on here like to offer advice and guidance to those that have been caught out by overzealous extortionists, so by sharing the RA (that you have obviously seen in order to offer such comments) those minded to provide accurate and effective advice, can.

I would dare to wager that there is and never has been a RA just some twaddle about H&S spouted by someone who:

1. Thought they were being clever.
2. Has no knowledge of risk assessments, how they are completed and should be communicated.
3. Was not aware of the practicalities of unloading and the rights of tenants and homeowners.
4. Didn't want to have an adult discussion about the issues, real or percieved, of tenants unloading vehicles.
5. Wanted to escape from the embarrassing situation. 

Pick a number or perhaps go for the clean sweep, I'm confident that other contributors may think of more excuses. 

Unsure what you last paragraph means, both google and babelfish were unable to decrypt, I understand other services are available but it's late now and time for my bed. 

Hi
Many thanks for your post and alert, @BikingBud
The last paragraph, the highlighted bit is self-explanatory for those that do not park in front of communal doors and where they are not supposed to park as per rules etc. (I'm talking generally now and not the OP) I can only speak for myself and my family/friends who would not park somewhere that may cause an obstruction as per my detailed post you quoted.
I've met many via work visits that complained about "inconsiderate parking. I for one would not want our drive blocked in part or full. Up until 10 yrs or so ago I had family in Fulham. When we visited them we always had to park several streets away as there was just not space in front of the property as taken up. Mt family that lived there often even with permits had to walk from another road with bags of shopping or plan ahead, and drop of shopping on the pavement.

I had to consult "Babelfish" and similar about your  points  1 to 5 and the sites crashed. However,I knew the answer would not be there regarding several of your points I did so out of courtesy.

I am confident of my stance about parking and driving and have made it clear why people should not park where they are not supposed to. I stand by that and as an excellent driver of around 40 years that has never had a ticket of any type, I am fully aware of my rights to park and when I could be given a ticket as I do not take chances. I am aware that there are private parking firms/individuals that may try it on and for that reason, I park extra carefully. ( None of my post is aimed at the OP, other than the bit I have stated before, ie if OP felt there was no clear signs and the company has not followed the rules, good luck and I hope you are treated fairly.)

Conclusion: There is nothing you can say to change my mind about my general comments about parking & obstructing entrances as I am fully aware that some parking co's will try it on but my  MO is park where I'm 100% sure I can park within the rules and if not, DON'T .

Enjoy your day

I've had a great day thanks apart from finding the shop were I had to collect something had closed at 15:30.

Anyway we are going off topic now and I am trying to keep the discussion focused on the OP's problem but what you posted exactly identifies part of both the problem and the way in which it flows out of a problem area into surrounding streets.

When we visited them we always had to park several streets away as there was just not space in front of the property as taken up.

Your impact and responsibility may be greater than you are willing to accept. Do you not think that parking in another street also congests that street, antagonises those residents and forces them to also find elsewhere to park and the mayhem spreads like a virus. 

Anyway the discussion is not about parking but unloading, it is not about "wardens" or public places but about private land and by your own admission you would not park there. Great, well done!

But it doesn't help the OP who also didn't park, and neither you nor I, nor nearly all of the posters on here will actually know what happened as there are always 3 sides to a story. We don't get to review all 3 sides but it does appear; no doors were blocked, no ambulances or fire engines failed to get access and it appears no lives were lost. Hence as I previously mentioned a lot of people on this forum are trying to offer their knowledge and assistance in minimising the OP's losses. Losses that may arise from what might rightfully be considered illegitimate money grabbing scammers that try to legitimise their actions as being for the greater good.🙊🙉🙈

Please carry on not parking where you feel there may be a risk but given the proclivity of these scammers to dispense their PCNs I would argue that they would even try and ping you for parking in your own garage.

I will hopefully have a better day tomorrow when I can get back to the shop and collect the items I missed today.

diystarter7

KXL88 said:

It is a nightmare, but in terms of the CCTV monitoring starting in Jan, each household is allowed to have 1 whitelisted vehicle registered for 15 mins grace period. I mean what happens if someone is behind the Sainsbury's truck that takes AGES to move off? I've already given my VRM to register. How that would work in theory, we will know in Jan.

not to worry, I'm sure they have it sorted and the residents, the majority that park within the rules and are fed up with chancers/etc will be glad of the new enforcement rules.

Thanks

diystarter7

Umkomaas said:

NPE are not there to help residents, or the MA for that matter. They are there to make money for themselves. Go figure, as they say!

Please stop. Are you saying that on estates residents are not requesting these people to come - incredible.
The people are saw applauded parking enforcement on their estates and had visitor permits and visitor bays and when I parked, I always parked within a visitors bay and if they were full as often the case but masses of residents specaes were free, yep, that's right, I went and parked in a road close by.

diystarter7

Boat_to_Bolivia said:

KXL88 said:

I just hope they don't go ticketing cars that are covered with snow or have a 'frozen' windscreen and the permit not visible!

I expect they will! 

It could happen as they do say, "please ensure your ticket/permit is clearly visible by the front screen

Boat_to_Bolivia

diystarter7 said:

Boat_to_Bolivia said:

KXL88 said:

I just hope they don't go ticketing cars that are covered with snow or have a 'frozen' windscreen and the permit not visible!

I expect they will! 

It could happen as they do say, "please ensure your ticket/permit is clearly visible by the front screen

You missed out a speech mark at the end of your quote.

HTH

diystarter7

BikingBud said:

diystarter7 said:

BikingBud said:

diystarter7 said:

BikingBud said:

diystarter7 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Changes nothing albeit never block a door (I doubt you blocked people getting in or out?).

Hi

"blocking" has a different meaning to different people, EG in the event of an emergency/fire etc, most able-bodied people could easily walk out quickly. However, someone with a walking aid and or walking aids, pram with kids, someone in a wheelchair -
when a fire  etc happens, people often panic and the last thing you want is a suv in from of a any door never mind a communal entrance. I'm with the HA on this one. Why should someone with a pram, or .wheelchair have to negotiate obstacles when there is no need for it to be there?

OP, people don't often think and I'm sure you have seen others do it, but sorry, I am now with the HA

Ask the HA for more signs, clearer signs, may be?

Good luck


Thanks

This would be covered by the risk assessment which would discuss the issue of blocked and limited access fully and identify a safe system with appropriate mitigation (allowance) for residents and delivery activities.

Oh wait a minute, maybe they haven't done that or perhaps given the suggested 5 min leeway they have accepted that the likelihood of a blocking event occurring is extremely remote, although you could surmise that different tenants could follow on for their own 5 mins leading to perpetual blocking. But again a well considered RA would cover this and perhaps prompt the installation of posts/bollards directly around the door area to prevent blocking of exits.

We don't know for sure but it all sounds weak to me.

Oh, wait a minute, the highlighted bit, "risk assessment" - wait a minute and this is why the ticketing people handed out the ticket.

because the parking breached the "risk assessment" you are referring to, yes!

thankfully we do not and have never lived in an apartment but I've visited many clients in the past that were fed up with people parking as they wished. I recall one time someone had parked in front of the communal doors and the car then would not open and was there for a few days until the owner decided to get it opened by a lock person and the residents there were livid.

Thanks

Thanks @diystarter7 as you will be aware many contributors on here like to offer advice and guidance to those that have been caught out by overzealous extortionists, so by sharing the RA (that you have obviously seen in order to offer such comments) those minded to provide accurate and effective advice, can.

I would dare to wager that there is and never has been a RA just some twaddle about H&S spouted by someone who:

1. Thought they were being clever.
2. Has no knowledge of risk assessments, how they are completed and should be communicated.
3. Was not aware of the practicalities of unloading and the rights of tenants and homeowners.
4. Didn't want to have an adult discussion about the issues, real or percieved, of tenants unloading vehicles.
5. Wanted to escape from the embarrassing situation. 

Pick a number or perhaps go for the clean sweep, I'm confident that other contributors may think of more excuses. 

Unsure what you last paragraph means, both google and babelfish were unable to decrypt, I understand other services are available but it's late now and time for my bed. 

Hi
Many thanks for your post and alert, @BikingBud
The last paragraph, the highlighted bit is self-explanatory for those that do not park in front of communal doors and where they are not supposed to park as per rules etc. (I'm talking generally now and not the OP) I can only speak for myself and my family/friends who would not park somewhere that may cause an obstruction as per my detailed post you quoted.
I've met many via work visits that complained about "inconsiderate parking. I for one would not want our drive blocked in part or full. Up until 10 yrs or so ago I had family in Fulham. When we visited them we always had to park several streets away as there was just not space in front of the property as taken up. Mt family that lived there often even with permits had to walk from another road with bags of shopping or plan ahead, and drop of shopping on the pavement.

I had to consult "Babelfish" and similar about your  points  1 to 5 and the sites crashed. However,I knew the answer would not be there regarding several of your points I did so out of courtesy.

I am confident of my stance about parking and driving and have made it clear why people should not park where they are not supposed to. I stand by that and as an excellent driver of around 40 years that has never had a ticket of any type, I am fully aware of my rights to park and when I could be given a ticket as I do not take chances. I am aware that there are private parking firms/individuals that may try it on and for that reason, I park extra carefully. ( None of my post is aimed at the OP, other than the bit I have stated before, ie if OP felt there was no clear signs and the company has not followed the rules, good luck and I hope you are treated fairly.)

Conclusion: There is nothing you can say to change my mind about my general comments about parking & obstructing entrances as I am fully aware that some parking co's will try it on but my  MO is park where I'm 100% sure I can park within the rules and if not, DON'T .

Enjoy your day

Your impact and responsibility may be greater than you are willing to accept. Do you not think that parking in another street also congests that street, antagonises those residents and forces them to also find elsewhere to park and the 

 items I missed today.mayhem spreads like a virus. 

Dear potential buddy

The highlighted bit I'm not if you are very serious or serious or trying to be serious but here it goes.

You may have read some of my other posts on other threads about the nice GLS I drive. Yes it's a big car and like many I pay a massive road tax on it plus the addional thousands as its over 40k new. About "antagonises..." - are you referring to me parking within the rules/legally as not to get a ticket? Or are you saying I should not park in front of other people's houses?

"mayhem spreads like a virus. " - by me parking wihtin the rules not obstructing rights of way, etc and if I need to pay I will pay.

You are trying to blame people like me that never park outside the rules and accuse carinng drivers that follow the rules by telling me considerate people like me are causing !mayhem spreads like a virus. !

I always knew I was right about inconsiderate parking and your argument just confirmed that.A big up to traffic wardens cctv operators that are ensuring people park properly and not antagonise other people by parking outside the rules.

Enjoy your pm

KeithP

@diystarter7, what is the relevance of the price of your car and how much road tax you pay?

This thread is about @KXL88's predicament. Nothing else.