Just had a service and MOT...now engine seized!

cymruchris

rachellelouise said:

diystarter7 said:

rachellelouise said:

There’s a few people on here who seem to have woke up on the wrong side of the bed!! 

I personally don’t have an issue with people making spelling errors. To assume people learn to write at school is incorrect, i know many incredibly intelligent people who have dyslexia and have difficulty spelling…or people who learnt to write in their adult life for various reasons…including an amazing consultant who trust me, if you were on your last legs would do a damn good job of keeping you alive, despite their poor spelling! 

Life is too short to get your knickers in a twist about words spelt incorrectly.

Hi
Very true
I hope you get to find out what caused it.
Do let us know
Good luck

My husband is fast asleep as he is working 1800-0600 nights, but my dad just contacted his friend who owns the garage and he has stated ‘the cambelt has moved’ and this is what caused it. He has said if the cambelt was replaced in October then it hasn’t been put back in correctly (this is me paraphrasing, i have no idea what a cambelt even is, let alone where they go inside the car ha!) if it wasn’t done, then it needed to be and thats our fault for not getting it changed.

Reality is the garage that did the one off work and MOT for us advised what needed doing, because they could see issues with those things. I suppose I have always been fortunate with the normal garage I use he would tell me X needs doing at X milage pre-emptively and I just trust him. I have wrongly assumed that all garages will inform you when things are due….my dads told me we should be looking in our handbook to see what things are due when! 

After work I am going to go to the garage and get the receipt for the work out the glove box, so I will update you  

Ok - so the timing belt has 'moved' rather than 'failed' - you mentioned that there was no coolant - I do wonder if the water pump failed, and on doing so leaked water onto the timing belt causing it to slip/move - that would result in the problem you're seeing. 

Usually timing belts are changed to an advised schedule - so you'd need to go back and look when yours was last done. If it's not been done, and the recommended mileage/timescale has passed, there's not much you can do. However if you've serviced it to schedule since you've owned it, and the service history is good (assuming you bought it used) - if the mileage/timescale hasn't yet been reached, then there may also be a case to complain to the manufacturer. But if you're over the time/mileage specified - then again, not much to be done other than looking at repair options.

Do you know the mileage on the car? And has it been serviced to schedule since new? Is it the 1.6 diesel?

clive0510

rachellelouise said:

clive0510 said:

I would say at a guess that your 308 has a petrol engine, belt driven. I would guess that the timing belt has broken or is disintegrating and the bits off the belt have got in the engine , and now needs a new engine. 
this is a fault on certian 2008, 208, 3008 and 308s. 
peugeot do know about this fault. you need  to talk to your nearest pegeot dealer.
failing that get me the reg and I'll see what I can find out. don't have that software on this pc though. I have it but elsewhere.

Thankyou very much
It is a diesel engine. The reg is (Removed by Forum Team)

its a diesel. well peugeot diesels dont go wrong! apart from the emissions systems, same as most modern day cars. any way, dont know then. got to be something that garage did. or didn't do.

Mutton_Geoff

cymruchris said:

Ok - so the timing belt has 'moved' rather than 'failed' - you mentioned that there was no coolant - I do wonder if the water pump failed, and on doing so leaked water onto the timing belt causing it to slip/move - that would result in the problem you're seeing. 

This is extremely unlikely. Timing belts are critical to the timing of the engine which is why they are toothed. There is no way it can slip or move unless it jumped a cog if the engine seized. It could not have been fitted wrongly either else the car would not have started or run properly if the belt was even one cog out of sync.

cymruchris

Mutton_Geoff said:

cymruchris said:

Ok - so the timing belt has 'moved' rather than 'failed' - you mentioned that there was no coolant - I do wonder if the water pump failed, and on doing so leaked water onto the timing belt causing it to slip/move - that would result in the problem you're seeing. 

This is extremely unlikely. Timing belts are critical to the timing of the engine which is why they are toothed. There is no way it can slip or move unless it jumped a cog if the engine seized. It could not have been fitted wrongly either else the car would not have started or run properly if the belt was even one cog out of sync.

It does happen:

https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/timing-belt-snapped-on-308-1-6-hdi.348777/

Interestingly there was also a recall in relation to the timing belt of the 308, but not for the UK market:

https://car-recalls.eu/recall/peugeot-308-2014-timing-belt/

The OP hasn't confirmed the engine yet - but if it's the 1.6 diesel the service schedule for the timing belt appears to be 175k kms/10 years - which equates to 108k miles/10 years. If the mileage is below that, and the car has been serviced religiously, there may be some comeback on the dealer network. (I'm not saying they'd pay for the repair - but there might be an argument for a contribution to costs)

Mutton_Geoff

I still don't accept that water going on the belt could make it slip, even if one briefly present internet poster put that comment on a Peugeot forum.

The belt could stretch or snap but it won't slip.

rachellelouise

cymruchris said:

Mutton_Geoff said:

cymruchris said:

Ok - so the timing belt has 'moved' rather than 'failed' - you mentioned that there was no coolant - I do wonder if the water pump failed, and on doing so leaked water onto the timing belt causing it to slip/move - that would result in the problem you're seeing. 

This is extremely unlikely. Timing belts are critical to the timing of the engine which is why they are toothed. There is no way it can slip or move unless it jumped a cog if the engine seized. It could not have been fitted wrongly either else the car would not have started or run properly if the belt was even one cog out of sync.

It does happen:

https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/timing-belt-snapped-on-308-1-6-hdi.348777/

Interestingly there was also a recall in relation to the timing belt of the 308, but not for the UK market:

https://car-recalls.eu/recall/peugeot-308-2014-timing-belt/

The OP hasn't confirmed the engine yet - but if it's the 1.6 diesel the service schedule for the timing belt appears to be 175k kms/10 years - which equates to 108k miles/10 years. If the mileage is below that, and the car has been serviced religiously, there may be some comeback on the dealer network. (I'm not saying they'd pay for the repair - but there might be an argument for a contribution to costs)

This is interesting!

Yes it is the 1.6L diesel 208, the milage in October was 96K on the MOT, no more than 500 miles have been done since then.

The model is: “308 Blue HDI S/S SW GT Line” 1.6L

cymruchris

Mutton_Geoff said:

I still don't accept that water going on the belt could make it slip, even if one briefly present internet poster put that comment on a Peugeot forum.

The belt could stretch or snap but it won't slip.

I don't mean slip as in the circular motion like a regular fan belt does - possibly a better word to have used would have been skipped - if the belt was worn, and wasn't at its optimum tension, and then the introduction of boiling hot water being sprayed onto it from a failed water pump for a period could have resulted in a skip rather than a slip. But if the replacement schedule is 108k miles or 10 years - and it hadn't reached either, that shouldn't be an issue anyway.

cymruchris

rachellelouise said:

cymruchris said:

Mutton_Geoff said:

cymruchris said:

Ok - so the timing belt has 'moved' rather than 'failed' - you mentioned that there was no coolant - I do wonder if the water pump failed, and on doing so leaked water onto the timing belt causing it to slip/move - that would result in the problem you're seeing. 

This is extremely unlikely. Timing belts are critical to the timing of the engine which is why they are toothed. There is no way it can slip or move unless it jumped a cog if the engine seized. It could not have been fitted wrongly either else the car would not have started or run properly if the belt was even one cog out of sync.

It does happen:

https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/timing-belt-snapped-on-308-1-6-hdi.348777/

Interestingly there was also a recall in relation to the timing belt of the 308, but not for the UK market:

https://car-recalls.eu/recall/peugeot-308-2014-timing-belt/

The OP hasn't confirmed the engine yet - but if it's the 1.6 diesel the service schedule for the timing belt appears to be 175k kms/10 years - which equates to 108k miles/10 years. If the mileage is below that, and the car has been serviced religiously, there may be some comeback on the dealer network. (I'm not saying they'd pay for the repair - but there might be an argument for a contribution to costs)

This is interesting!

Yes it is the 1.6L diesel 208, the milage in October was 96K on the MOT, no more than 500 miles have been done since then.

So it's not reached 108k miles or 10 years and you've gotten a failure. (But as I mentioned - there can be more than one cause of failure - such as the water pump going)

What's the car's service history like? Have you got a stamp at every scheduled service date? Even for the previous owners?

rachellelouise

cymruchris said:

rachellelouise said:

cymruchris said:

Mutton_Geoff said:

cymruchris said:

Ok - so the timing belt has 'moved' rather than 'failed' - you mentioned that there was no coolant - I do wonder if the water pump failed, and on doing so leaked water onto the timing belt causing it to slip/move - that would result in the problem you're seeing. 

This is extremely unlikely. Timing belts are critical to the timing of the engine which is why they are toothed. There is no way it can slip or move unless it jumped a cog if the engine seized. It could not have been fitted wrongly either else the car would not have started or run properly if the belt was even one cog out of sync.

It does happen:

https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/timing-belt-snapped-on-308-1-6-hdi.348777/

Interestingly there was also a recall in relation to the timing belt of the 308, but not for the UK market:

https://car-recalls.eu/recall/peugeot-308-2014-timing-belt/

The OP hasn't confirmed the engine yet - but if it's the 1.6 diesel the service schedule for the timing belt appears to be 175k kms/10 years - which equates to 108k miles/10 years. If the mileage is below that, and the car has been serviced religiously, there may be some comeback on the dealer network. (I'm not saying they'd pay for the repair - but there might be an argument for a contribution to costs)

This is interesting!

Yes it is the 1.6L diesel 208, the milage in October was 96K on the MOT, no more than 500 miles have been done since then.

So it's not reached 108k miles or 10 years and you've gotten a failure. (But as I mentioned - there can be more than one cause of failure - such as the water pump going)

What's the car's service history like? Have you got a stamp at every scheduled service date? Even for the previous owners?

It has a service every year with the MOT and yes it gets a stamp and we have the receipts. 
The MOT this time was 1 month late. Prior to us buying it it was an ex-motability car so well maintained, and we purchased it from the pergeot dealership and are the second owners.

A previous poster said we missed 3 months another year but thats not true I dont know where they got that from!

uknick

You can check the MOT history here;

What is the vehicle's registration number - Check MOT history – GOV.UK (check-mot.service.gov.uk)