Who will pay

jimjames

markin said:

tghe-retford said:

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

Did they say why? Only the 4% lng we import is really at risk, 

Is it though? I keep seeing this 4% mentioned but without the context that if we're fighting with others over a limited resource because they need to get their supplies to replace Russian gas then it matters little where ours comes from. Interconnectors may well not be able to provide the capacity expected.

QrizB

jimjames said:

markin said:

tghe-retford said:

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

Did they say why? Only the 4% lng we import is really at risk, 

Is it though? I keep seeing this 4% mentioned but without the context that if we're fighting with others over a limited resource because they need to get their supplies to replace Russian gas then it matters little where ours comes from. Interconnectors may well not be able to provide the capacity expected.

Yes, exactly this.

We might only import 4% LNG from Russia but we import roughly 50% in total (more like 2/3rds in the winter. see page 10 of this report), mostly from Norway, Qatar and the US. Those suppliers will also be selling at the market price.

MattMattMattUK

pochase said:

MattMattMattUK said:

I have got a camping stove, plenty of gas and power banks, and I can get 3-4 days use out of the hot water tank, if it comes to it then I can weather a couple of days without significant detriment. After two days the food in the freezer will be defrosted, so I guess I will be eating that for a few days.

Our home insurances that cover freezer content will be happy. Anybody know if they have an exclusion for a government blackout?

I am doubtful it would be worth claiming, with the excess and the subsequent increase in premiums most people probably do not have enough expensive food in the freezer to make it worthwhile. 

MattMattMattUK

xeny said:

Section62 said:

Why cause the public unnecessary stress and worry by telling them to prepare to stop using appliances when there are more practical alternatives such as negotiating with businesses to reduce their consumption at critical times?

If gas supplies are inadequate then we'll close gas power stations to maintain line pressure. Enough of our electricity comes from gas that reducing business electrical consumption might not be enough. That asking consumers to reduce consumption is  being contemplated makes me think this is a realistic possibility

One of the easiest ways to stop domestic gas usage is a blackout. Boilers need mains electricity as well, so apart from the small proportion who have battery backup that takes out boilers. Most modern gas ovens require power to operate as well, so some people could use hobs, old fashioned gas fires or those with an Aga could carry on, but for everyone most people it would stop consumption entirely and for those that it did not consumption would be minimal.

markin

The electric interconnections are probably where the most danger lies, Seems to me anyway.

 

Tanker carrying first Australian gas shipment to Europe in more than five years will dock in UK before most of it is piped into continent to storage sites        

Mstty

I welcome a couple of hours blackout so that people become aware of the situation we are in.

Fed up with the suger coating and everyone expecting energy for free or heavily discounted.

We need some pain first for everyone to realise the issue and to cut back and run their lives efficiently.

Education on energy efficiency, grants to improve poor EPC properties and targeted help for those that really need it.

For the rest it will be tough times, maybe no holidays for a couple of years but I would rather a couple of years of pain compared to decades of paying back debt.

The answer is not to throw endless money at buying energy that money should be spent so we don't need to import that expensive energy and yes we may suffer for that in the short term.

Aylesbury_Duck

Mstty said:

I welcome a couple of hours blackout so that people become aware of the situation we are in.

Fed up with the suger coating and everyone expecting energy for free or heavily discounted.

We need some pain first for everyone to realise the issue and to cut back and run their lives efficiently.

Education on energy efficiency, grants to improve poor EPC properties and targeted help for those that really need it.

For the rest it will be tough times, maybe no holidays for a couple of years but I would rather a couple of years of pain compared to decades of paying back debt.

The answer is not to throw endless money at buying energy that money should be spent so we don't need to import that expensive energy and yes we may suffer for that in the short term.

Absolutely agree.  We have to stop energy profligacy and complacency, and make sure what energy is available is prioritised for essential use by those most in need of it.

MattMattMattUK

I agree, the public also need to realise that it is better for domestic power cuts than cuts to industry. A few evenings without the TV is far better for the economy than industrial output dropping. 

brewerdave

MattMattMattUK said:

I agree, the public also need to realise that it is better for domestic power cuts than cuts to industry. A few evenings without the TV is far better for the economy than industrial output dropping. 

NOOOOH !! No Corrie or Eastie or ,even worse ,Monday Night Footy ?? Now that WILL lead to riots !!

macman

It is inconceivable that domestic power cuts will come before industrial ones, just for reasons of political expediency.
No gov't is going to risk losing votes by having a domestic blackout.
The days are gone when you could sit in the dark, listen to the battery radio, and still make toast on the gas fire: modern homes are dependent on an uninterrupted power supply. 
No heating (whether gas or electric), no hot water, no wi-fi, no VOIP phones...