Who will pay

jimjames

jj_43 said:

very very unlikely to be blackouts. However its going to be very very expensive, hopefully with some direct incentive to reduce demand.

Price should be enough incentive for many to review and reduce their usage!

tghe-retford

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

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tghe-retford said:

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

It is worth remembering that a lot of industries and businesses have built in energy break clauses in their contracts. These businesses usually have backup generation available to them. 

MattMattMattUK

I have got a camping stove, plenty of gas and power banks, and I can get 3-4 days use out of the hot water tank, if it comes to it then I can weather a couple of days without significant detriment. After two days the food in the freezer will be defrosted, so I guess I will be eating that for a few days.

michaels

pochase said:

Maybe it would make sense not to leave out an important part.

Surely no 10 is correct, people will be able to use as much energy as they want can afford....

sevenhills

jimjames said:

Price should be enough incentive for many to review and reduce their usage!

The government needs to let the price increase take place, to reduce usage.
One of the countries biggest problems is obesity, at least until the cold weather comes in November 

pochase

MattMattMattUK said:

I have got a camping stove, plenty of gas and power banks, and I can get 3-4 days use out of the hot water tank, if it comes to it then I can weather a couple of days without significant detriment. After two days the food in the freezer will be defrosted, so I guess I will be eating that for a few days.

Our home insurances that cover freezer content will be happy. Anybody know if they have an exclusion for a government blackout?

markin

tghe-retford said:

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

Did they say why? Only the 4% lng we import is really at risk, And we hopefully will have a little storage built up for when its needed, They are reopening it aren't they?

razord

markin said:

tghe-retford said:

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

Did they say why? Only the 4% lng we import is really at risk, And we hopefully will have a little storage built up for when its needed, They are reopening it aren't they?

Because we currently rely on links with European countries for balancing. There are periods where we send them energy, and periods where they send us energy, based on demand.

This winter, it's very likely they won't be available to send us any energy for balancing, and so we will lack a significant amount of "on demand" balancing ability, and that is what can cause blackouts.

Section62

tghe-retford said:

The industry experts on BBC Radio 4's PM programme say different. And I am inclined to believe them over the Government on this one. They think we will need to not just cut down on usage (they suggest preparing in advance) but potentially stop using appliances to prevent blackouts and mandatory rationing.

Why cause the public unnecessary stress and worry by telling them to prepare to stop using appliances when there are more practical alternatives such as negotiating with businesses to reduce their consumption at critical times?

Sometimes it feels like some people are searching for bad news to cause as much misery as they can.