What's my power going to cost me ?

Section62

brewerdave said:

Mstty said:

There won't be riots we are an inherently compliant (docile) population. 

We will watch French protests from our armchairs on the TV.

The way things are going, most of the (working) population will be on the picket lines by October ,so no time for riots !

With broken up pallets burning in old oil drums to keep them toastie warm.

GingerTim

I was on a picket line in 2018 during the Beast from the East. Never been colder in my life and very glad that braziers had made a return!

Astria

MouldyOldDough said:

Astria said:

PennineAcute said:

MouldyOldDough said:

sienew said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

MouldyOldDough said:

MattMattMattUK said:

MouldyOldDough said:

MattMattMattUK said:

What is your annual consumption in kWh, this information should be on your bill.

Gas 5264kWh

Electricity 1295kWh

Based on the October 2022 cap estimate your annual cost would be £1,757.02 pa / £146.42 pcm
Based on the January 2023 cap estimate your annual cost would be £2,240.14 pa / £186.68 pcm

That's a huge rise - that I will really struggle to afford 
The government is going to have to do something about the situation 

It already is doing something.  The trouble is, there is a finite source of gas, it's expensive to produce, it's in high demand and we should be burning less of it, anyway.  If government starts subsidising energy to a greater extent, we'll have to pay for it by other means, which means higher taxes.  One might argue we've become addicted to relatively cheap energy that has encouraged profligacy - how many people have lights on all over and inside their houses, have hot tubs, patio heaters, multiple TVs, enormous fridges and so on?  How many drive around alone in oversized vehicles on short journeys they could easily walk or cycle?  I'm not just talking about wealthier households, these are things that are commonplace in normal family homes all over the UK.

The solution here is less consumption.  I appreciate that many people have pared back consumption already (you have quite low consumption yourself) and there isn't much room for further reduction, but there isn't a magical solution to this that's going to make energy cheap for everyone.  Energy has been relatively cheap for a long time.  We've known about the environmental cost of using too much energy for decades, and have largely ignored it.  Now it's hitting us in the pocket it's suddenly a major problem that requires government intervention.

OK reward those of us who don't use much gas then 

You are already being rewarded with low bills, far lower than the average and the govt support will pay a much larger % of your bills as a result. 

Also, gas and electric are connected. Gas used to produce (some) of your electricity, especially in winter so both prices are connected.

That's because we are very careful and don't waste power
We should be rewarded for this not maligned

Believe it or not there is a reason for this....We are careful with our use of power 
Hence we should be rewarded for doing this by reduced standing charges - I mean that we pay 41p per day standng charge for electricity - the same as  someone using 10 times as much power as we use

You are rewarded, by having a cheaper bill.

and that could be a substantially cheaper bill if p/kWh climbs to 90p !

I'll be going from 15p/kWh to 59p/kWh come October which will likely be higher than the cap, but should hopefully be cheaper come January.

90p would not be acceptable by the majority of the UK population - there would be riots ! 
Why will it be cheaper come January?
Are you predicting a drop in rates? 

I'm talking about the fix, the fix will be cheaper come January (more expensive Oct - Dec), if the SVT goes the way as predicted.

pochase

GingerTim said:

I was on a picket line in 2018 during the Beast from the East. Never been colder in my life and very glad that braziers had made a return!

So you got a good training for next winter, you just did not know it.

MouldyOldDough

The government now of course has the ability to select areas for rationing using smart meters to rotate the available power......

I now wish that I had not gone "smart"..

GingerTim

If there are rolling blackouts they will be done by area, not smart meter availability.

Your smart meter is likely to give you advantages over non-smart metered properties - cheaper electricity at off-peak times etc.

MouldyOldDough

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-8706033/Smart-meters-used-switch-electricity-without-warning-compensation.html

Did the bill go through ?

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MouldyOldDough said:

The government now of course has the ability to select areas for rationing using smart meters to rotate the available power......

I now wish that I had not gone "smart"..

The government (or rather the DNOs) have had that ability since substations existed.  Doesn't need a smart meter to turn off the cable in the street.

Mstty

MouldyOldDough said:

The government now of course has the ability to select areas for rationing using smart meters to rotate the available power......

I now wish that I had not gone "smart"..

You flit from one thing to another. Conspiracy to conspiracy.

I do hope that I don't become like this as I get older and have the sam self entitlement to everything and to not have my lifestyle affected in anyway despite covid/Russia/inflation and the recession.

There will.always be good times and.bad times just get brace for a couple of years, maybe 3 of bad times.

Once you are in that mindset it makes it easier.

MouldyOldDough

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MouldyOldDough said:

The government now of course has the ability to select areas for rationing using smart meters to rotate the available power......

I now wish that I had not gone "smart"..

The government (or rather the DNOs) have had that ability since substations existed.  Doesn't need a smart meter to turn off the cable in the street.

But not allow disabled and vulnerable people to stay on grid ?