EV Discussion thread

silverwhistle

It's common to all cars (EV/ICE) these days according to the latest safety standards and to get your 5 stars, but it seems implementations may vary a little. If you go on forums for your own car you'll probably see grumbles about it, I certainly do for my MG4 and personally I turn off lane assist each trip after a few unnerving experiences, and that's as someone who has good steering wheel habits.

Solarchaser

Grumpy_chap said:

Solarchaser said:

Let's assume i was hypothetically travelling at at least 65mph at all points of the hypothetical situation 

So, you were travelling "fast" on the inside lane with assist functions active.
The vehicle in the second lane was travelling at, say, 60 mph.
The car will slow you down to avoid overtaking on the inside.
You can, of course, indicate to change to the second lane and then to the third lane and then overtake and then return via the two lanes back to the inside lane and your speed will recover.
That would be in accordance with the Highway Code.
You can also over-ride the slowing down to prevent overtaking on the inside lane if you stab the accelerator, the speed assist will recover back to the target speed and pass the vehicle in the second lane, even though you are on the inside lane.

You are stating what the vehicle should do, I'm stating that when it applies the no undertaking rule is random and not speed related, in the hypothetical situation. 
Sometimes it will glide past the middle lane hogger sitting at 55 in the middle lane, other times I need to push the pedal to convince it to go past.

Reed, why indicate when overtaking and not returning? Because that's the highway code, or at least was when I sat my test a number of decades ago.
In fact it was a question at the end of my test, "should you indicate when changing back down lanes?", and the answer is no, you only indicate left on a multilane road when you are indicating you are taking the approaching turnoff.

It seems I'm not alone in not liking the invasiveness of these "safety features", but for me it's more about the randomness of application. 
If it fought me on every change to a left lane, id expect it, as it did with the Aygo last week and multiple other vehicles over the past decade, from VAG group to Peugeot/Renault/Nissan/Ford and several other makes that I've driven as company cars, hire cars, loan cars etc.
Some a light vibration on the wheel, some a significant increase in effort to maintain the change.

My problem with the Tesla that I've not encountered in other makes is the fact it only does it maybe 3 times in a month, and then at other times it can be several times in one journey.
Maybe I should be generous and suggest it's picking up on my less positive movements when I slip into a lane instead of driving in into it... but I don't believe thats the case, or at least it's definitely not the case every time.
Sometimes its happy for me to ride the outside line on the outside lane due to multiple potential factors like overtaking trucks that are swerving into my lane, gusts of wind, aquaplaning or even my own lapse of concentration, but on the 10th time of doing that in a month, it decides to fight me, not every time.

michaels

Slightly OT but my Nissan leaf generally always picks up un-indicated lane crossings with steering wheel feedback even when the lane assist says the lanes are not clear enough for it to operate, so two different systems on lane assist....
With the 2019 leaf you can turn if off permanently rather having to do so every time you start the vehicle.

molerat

Reed_Richards said:

My EV, a Mokka e, has "Lane Assist" which I have to disable every time I start the car.  It has a bad habit of imagining lane markings on poorly surfaced roads, of which there are plenty in my vicinity.  It will then "grab" the steering wheel in a manner that is highly disconcerting and, IMHO, liable to cause an accident.  I guess the ICE version probably has exactly the same unsafety feature.

My 2023 ICE Grandland has a permanent on/off switch for that. Did 1800 miles over 2 weeks last summer with loads of motorway and switched it on for about half an hour, turned off again pretty sharpish and not used it since !

Grumpy_chap

So, the BBC seem to have let bias and FUD interfere again:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7x3jgw7no

That image captioned "A woman charging an electric car" must have been selected to give the impression that you need to stand there for the whole charge period - a bit like you stand and squeeze the nozzle at the petrol pump...

Magnitio

Grumpy_chap said:

So, the BBC seem to have let bias and FUD interfere again:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7x3jgw7no

That image captioned "A woman charging an electric car" must have been selected to give the impression that you need to stand there for the whole charge period - a bit like you stand and squeeze the nozzle at the petrol pump...

"She stood there for 18 hours whilst it charged, powered by coal and costing twice as much as petrol to only go 80 miles before stopping for another charge whilst her car halved in value and polluted the roads due to the tyres disintegrating under the enormous weight of the battery that was mined by children and built by slaves and will be land-fill in 2 years because that's how long they last."

silvercar

Free charging at Gridserve on Christmas Day. 

Grumpy_chap

silvercar said:

Free charging at Gridserve on Christmas Day. 

'Twas free leccy for EDF customers too
Very rare that I can use the phrase EDF and a smiley in the same sentence.

michaels

Grumpy_chap said:

silvercar said:

Free charging at Gridserve on Christmas Day. 

'Twas free leccy for EDF customers too
Very rare that I can use the phrase EDF and a smiley in the same sentence.

A whole 22.5kwh worth all of £1.40 - don't spend it all at once....

Grumpy_chap

michaels said:

Grumpy_chap said:

silvercar said:

Free charging at Gridserve on Christmas Day. 

'Twas free leccy for EDF customers too
Very rare that I can use the phrase EDF and a smiley in the same sentence.

A whole 22.5kwh worth all of £1.40 - don't spend it all at once....

If I am not charging my car, I can only use 10 kWh of electricity in a day.
Obviously, I charged my car.
Next charge will be Sunday week when I should have earned some Sunday Saver free electricity.