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Martyn1981 said:michaels said:Martyn1981 said:A BEV Rx does the same job, and seems like a good idea (to me), and a great introduction for those a bit scared of a BEV, but wanting more than a PHEV.
All Nissan have done, is remove your ability to fuel it with leccy. Seems like a weird backwards move to me, since it offers less choice, not more.
That said, maybe Nissan have a good reason. Perhaps the cost of the charger, inverter etc etc, gives them a large enough cost saving.
Yes we would prefer they got a BEV or possibly a PHEV (we know a lot of these are never run on electric) but for people who were never going to go for either of those options then this is (imho) better than them simply buying the petrol version especially for local pollution/fuel efficiency with the welcome side benefit that it is more likely to make them consider BEV next time.
So what exactly is this vehicle? Well to me, it's a 'normal' BEV RX, just with the option to plug it in removed. I don't understand why that would appeal to more people, it seems to offer less choice, since the plug-in part doesn't need to be used if you don't want to.
Maybe I'm missing something, and not understanding your point, but you say they may get a BEV next time, but Shirley this is a BEV, a BEV Rx, just (as I said previously) with the plug-in ability removed. Think about it, it's a BEV that can only charge via it's own petrol generator. So less choice, not more?
Edit - Just checked the prices, and it looks like the Qashqai e-power starts at £34k (base Qashqai petrol starts at £27k), whilst the Ariya starts at £39.6k. So a significant price difference, I agree, but not the £10k to £20k you suggest.
But again, I'm not really concerned about petrol 'v's BEV, I'm somewhat baffled as to why anyone would build a BEV Rx, but exclude the ability to plug-in.
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Thinking about it, it's really just a petrol car with a different final transmission.Or a diesel-electric locomotive.
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shinytop said:Martyn1981 said:michaels said:Martyn1981 said:A BEV Rx does the same job, and seems like a good idea (to me), and a great introduction for those a bit scared of a BEV, but wanting more than a PHEV.
All Nissan have done, is remove your ability to fuel it with leccy. Seems like a weird backwards move to me, since it offers less choice, not more.
That said, maybe Nissan have a good reason. Perhaps the cost of the charger, inverter etc etc, gives them a large enough cost saving.
Yes we would prefer they got a BEV or possibly a PHEV (we know a lot of these are never run on electric) but for people who were never going to go for either of those options then this is (imho) better than them simply buying the petrol version especially for local pollution/fuel efficiency with the welcome side benefit that it is more likely to make them consider BEV next time.
So what exactly is this vehicle? Well to me, it's a 'normal' BEV RX, just with the option to plug it in removed. I don't understand why that would appeal to more people, it seems to offer less choice, since the plug-in part doesn't need to be used if you don't want to.
Maybe I'm missing something, and not understanding your point, but you say they may get a BEV next time, but Shirley this is a BEV, a BEV Rx, just (as I said previously) with the plug-in ability removed. Think about it, it's a BEV that can only charge via it's own petrol generator. So less choice, not more?
Edit - Just checked the prices, and it looks like the Qashqai e-power starts at £34k (base Qashqai petrol starts at £27k), whilst the Ariya starts at £39.6k. So a significant price difference, I agree, but not the £10k to £20k you suggest.
But again, I'm not really concerned about petrol 'v's BEV, I'm somewhat baffled as to why anyone would build a BEV Rx, but exclude the ability to plug-in.
It seems to have roughly the same engine spec (1.5lt 3cyl) as the London Taxi's have, but without the larger batt (and ~80 miles of electric range), and the ability to plug in.
The mpg efficiency win, I assume, would come from having a batt, even a small one, allowing for re-gen.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
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Martyn1981 said:shinytop said:Martyn1981 said:michaels said:Martyn1981 said:A BEV Rx does the same job, and seems like a good idea (to me), and a great introduction for those a bit scared of a BEV, but wanting more than a PHEV.
All Nissan have done, is remove your ability to fuel it with leccy. Seems like a weird backwards move to me, since it offers less choice, not more.
That said, maybe Nissan have a good reason. Perhaps the cost of the charger, inverter etc etc, gives them a large enough cost saving.
Yes we would prefer they got a BEV or possibly a PHEV (we know a lot of these are never run on electric) but for people who were never going to go for either of those options then this is (imho) better than them simply buying the petrol version especially for local pollution/fuel efficiency with the welcome side benefit that it is more likely to make them consider BEV next time.
So what exactly is this vehicle? Well to me, it's a 'normal' BEV RX, just with the option to plug it in removed. I don't understand why that would appeal to more people, it seems to offer less choice, since the plug-in part doesn't need to be used if you don't want to.
Maybe I'm missing something, and not understanding your point, but you say they may get a BEV next time, but Shirley this is a BEV, a BEV Rx, just (as I said previously) with the plug-in ability removed. Think about it, it's a BEV that can only charge via it's own petrol generator. So less choice, not more?
Edit - Just checked the prices, and it looks like the Qashqai e-power starts at £34k (base Qashqai petrol starts at £27k), whilst the Ariya starts at £39.6k. So a significant price difference, I agree, but not the £10k to £20k you suggest.
But again, I'm not really concerned about petrol 'v's BEV, I'm somewhat baffled as to why anyone would build a BEV Rx, but exclude the ability to plug-in.
It seems to have roughly the same engine spec (1.5lt 3cyl) as the London Taxi's have, but without the larger batt (and ~80 miles of electric range), and the ability to plug in.
The mpg efficiency win, I assume, would come from having a batt, even a small one, allowing for re-gen.I think....0 -
michaels said:Martyn1981 said:shinytop said:Martyn1981 said:michaels said:Martyn1981 said:A BEV Rx does the same job, and seems like a good idea (to me), and a great introduction for those a bit scared of a BEV, but wanting more than a PHEV.
All Nissan have done, is remove your ability to fuel it with leccy. Seems like a weird backwards move to me, since it offers less choice, not more.
That said, maybe Nissan have a good reason. Perhaps the cost of the charger, inverter etc etc, gives them a large enough cost saving.
Yes we would prefer they got a BEV or possibly a PHEV (we know a lot of these are never run on electric) but for people who were never going to go for either of those options then this is (imho) better than them simply buying the petrol version especially for local pollution/fuel efficiency with the welcome side benefit that it is more likely to make them consider BEV next time.
So what exactly is this vehicle? Well to me, it's a 'normal' BEV RX, just with the option to plug it in removed. I don't understand why that would appeal to more people, it seems to offer less choice, since the plug-in part doesn't need to be used if you don't want to.
Maybe I'm missing something, and not understanding your point, but you say they may get a BEV next time, but Shirley this is a BEV, a BEV Rx, just (as I said previously) with the plug-in ability removed. Think about it, it's a BEV that can only charge via it's own petrol generator. So less choice, not more?
Edit - Just checked the prices, and it looks like the Qashqai e-power starts at £34k (base Qashqai petrol starts at £27k), whilst the Ariya starts at £39.6k. So a significant price difference, I agree, but not the £10k to £20k you suggest.
But again, I'm not really concerned about petrol 'v's BEV, I'm somewhat baffled as to why anyone would build a BEV Rx, but exclude the ability to plug-in.
It seems to have roughly the same engine spec (1.5lt 3cyl) as the London Taxi's have, but without the larger batt (and ~80 miles of electric range), and the ability to plug in.
The mpg efficiency win, I assume, would come from having a batt, even a small one, allowing for re-gen.Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.1 -
Martyn1981 said:michaels said:Martyn1981 said:shinytop said:Martyn1981 said:michaels said:Martyn1981 said:A BEV Rx does the same job, and seems like a good idea (to me), and a great introduction for those a bit scared of a BEV, but wanting more than a PHEV.
All Nissan have done, is remove your ability to fuel it with leccy. Seems like a weird backwards move to me, since it offers less choice, not more.
That said, maybe Nissan have a good reason. Perhaps the cost of the charger, inverter etc etc, gives them a large enough cost saving.
Yes we would prefer they got a BEV or possibly a PHEV (we know a lot of these are never run on electric) but for people who were never going to go for either of those options then this is (imho) better than them simply buying the petrol version especially for local pollution/fuel efficiency with the welcome side benefit that it is more likely to make them consider BEV next time.
So what exactly is this vehicle? Well to me, it's a 'normal' BEV RX, just with the option to plug it in removed. I don't understand why that would appeal to more people, it seems to offer less choice, since the plug-in part doesn't need to be used if you don't want to.
Maybe I'm missing something, and not understanding your point, but you say they may get a BEV next time, but Shirley this is a BEV, a BEV Rx, just (as I said previously) with the plug-in ability removed. Think about it, it's a BEV that can only charge via it's own petrol generator. So less choice, not more?
Edit - Just checked the prices, and it looks like the Qashqai e-power starts at £34k (base Qashqai petrol starts at £27k), whilst the Ariya starts at £39.6k. So a significant price difference, I agree, but not the £10k to £20k you suggest.
But again, I'm not really concerned about petrol 'v's BEV, I'm somewhat baffled as to why anyone would build a BEV Rx, but exclude the ability to plug-in.
It seems to have roughly the same engine spec (1.5lt 3cyl) as the London Taxi's have, but without the larger batt (and ~80 miles of electric range), and the ability to plug in.
The mpg efficiency win, I assume, would come from having a batt, even a small one, allowing for re-gen.I think....0 -
Tesla Bjorn had a look at it. Not very impressed if I remember correctly.
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Grumpy_chap said:An interesting aside as a couple of you mentioned Pod Point, I saw Pod Point filming a new advert just opposite my house yesterday evening...
Interestingly, the car had the "Build Your Dreams" badging which is contentious, apparently:
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/byd-to-delete-build-your-dreams-badging-for-its-european-cars-amid-controversy/288939
On a totally different EV matter, I was rather surprised by the claims made by Sadiq Khan when he was on BBC London speaking on Tuesday about the ULEZ. I have tried to go back to see the episode on iPlayer to check what was actually said but Tuesday's episodes don't seem to be available. I can watch 25th July and then yesterday (31st August) and then today (1 September). Rather odd that there are only apparently random episodes available to wind back to.0 -
I managed to find a version of the interview with Sadiq Khan on You-Tube and the claims the he made with regard to EV's were:
- London has more electric buses than any other city in Western Europe
- London has more rapid charging points than any other city in Western Europe
- Greater than a third of the country's charging points are in London
The link to the video is here and the above points are mentioned starting from just before 7 minutes in:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n4B7ueT3Fw
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OK - third time lucky (I hope). I've put a post in here twice and it has gone missing. I will split my update thoughts on life with an EV in case the post was simply too long.
I received a marketing communication from Tesla for the same "free wall charger" offer that I took advantage of in June.
Well, am I glad I purchased my TM3 in June!!
I did expect that the pricing for September would be similar as the 1/4-end approached. Nowhere near as large discounts as there were in June - perhaps the stock levels have been reduced pending the new model update?
I am still really enjoying life with the EV. It is so relaxing to drive that, despite being by far the fastest (accelerating) car I've ever owned, it simply does not inspire the urge to blast about.
That said, I never seem to be able to do a journey without the energy page saying "fast acceleration is inefficient" (or whatever it says in that vein).
I will put a follow-on post with my further observations around charging experience.
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