Parking stories in the News/media

Thorndorise

Nellymoser said:

Whatever2023 said:

Thorndorise said:

Whatever2023 said:

Half_way said:

People need to start hitting the landowners over the actions of their agents, and hitting them hard.

 The only exception would be if its a charity or small one person independent, but the big corporates should be hit as hard as possible for taking on an unregulated parking company

Operators are rarely the agent of a landowner, hence why the operator is identified as the creditor on signs etc.

Parking operators are virtually always an agent of the landowner, by the fact they are contracted to manage the parking...creditor or not has nothing to do with them being an agent.

Nope. If the Operator knows what they are doing, the agreement will be permission to operate on the land (not on the landowners behalf); a ‘Concession’ if you like. Keeps things clean for all concerned and eliminates scope for ‘Plan A’.

I'm fairly new to this topic and find myself easily confused so please spell out exactly what you mean by 'a Concession' and are you saying the information below from the BPA is untrue? 

Reply from British Parking Association

19 Sept 2024

Thanks for your review.

The BPA does not operate or manage parking or issue tickets but our members do. They are employed by the landowner to manage parking.

Reply from British Parking Association

31 Mar 2023

Thanks for your review.

The landowner sets the rules and the parking operator carries out their wishes. 

Thanks @Nellymoser

I was trying to find the right words - I had 'piffle' in mind but your question is a lot clearer - yeah I'm new to this also...

It's weird as I'm fairly certain a reasonable percentage (not all or a majority necessarily) of these bogus invoices are culled with Plan A

Coupon-mad

I know what @Whatever2023 means.

But I have no idea why this 'market failure' industry persist in pushing the idea that excluding the landowner/retailers from having any right to cancel a NPC is a good thing.

And the landowners who sign up for that are deluded and often very badly impacted and left bruised by the parking firm leeches.

Examples from this thread include nearly bankrupting a pub:

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/loggerheads-mold-car-park-fines-13774891.amp

and forcing a GP to publicly apologise and call in lawyers after initially spouting CEL spiel and blaming their patients for a year:

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=812074820923096&id=100063617558246

When the scales fall from the eyes of affected landowners, they really fall hard.

Jenni_D

A concession is somewhat like a lease - the lessee/concession holder "owns" (i.e. rents) the land for the purpose of the business.

I think @Whatever2023 is being somewhat disingenuous on this matter as I believe there are very few PPCs/sites which would fall into this category. (NCP would be one, for example).

Nellymoser

Newcastle Airport urged to open more free parking as council prepares to impose new restrictions

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-airport-urged-open-more-30047904.amp

 A Councillor has urged the Airport to set up another free drop-off zone in response to new parking restrictions.

 Newcastle City Council will start enforcing new ‘red route’ rules near the airport on Oct 21st.

Coupon-mad

Shoreham Port scam entrapment again:

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24631251.hove-woman-gets-parking-fine-car-park-never-used/

Ignore GXS obviously. The victims actually think IAS is independent of the IPC.

The Argus also thinks the 'appeal' farce is real. The family has been duped twice over.

Nellymoser

Wow. Guess she won't be returning there for next car service.

Nellymoser

Quentin Willson (Top gear) wants to see Sir Greg Knight’s Parking Bill finally put into action and warns the new catchily named Code out is not the Govt one.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/30820796/huge-change-parking-rules-how-to-tackle-fines/amp/

Quentin is spot on when he states

"Parking in Britain today has nothing to do with traffic flows or safer roads and is all about cold, hard cash". 

"It’s high time we caged Britain’s out-of-control parking monster and for the Government to make parking our cars and vans fairer, easier and less complicated for all."

Umkomaas

Topical subject of late - Moorside Legal. The first litigation I think we've seen them conduct, representing G24.  Claim struck - Res Judicata - already having had the same case previously judged in favour of the Defendant. What are they doing?

Anyway, Jackson Yamba, via Contestor, provides Moorside with a salutary lesson, with G24 picking up the tab of £901 😄.  Perhaps they'll think more carefully in future!

https://www.contestorlegal.co.uk/blog-3/g24-limited-represented-by-moorside-legal-services-ltd-faces-cost-implications-in-struck-out-claim

1505grandad

What could possibly go wrong  (Euro Car Parks):-

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/news/they-ve-gone-too-far-country-park-visitors-locked-in-sca-313927/

While the company accepted Tom had paid, it reduced the fine to a £20 administration fee insisting he had made a “major keying” error.

The 46-year-old denied this and said the machine was problematic and while the screen went blank, it had still allowed him to pay and issued a ticket.

A KCC spokesperson said: “If a customer inputs the correct registration number at the machine, it will correspond with the number plate captured on the ANPR meaning a penalty charge notice will not be issued.

“We have had no ongoing faults with any keypads on the machines at our country park car parks, which are checked every morning and evening.

“KCC receives a percentage of the income from parking enforcement, which is reinvested into the upkeep of our country park car parks.

Nellymoser

Hope KCC are being truthful, someone may ask to see records of these twice daily machine checks.

Councils will never find fault with PPCs practice. They rely on income generated by ripping car park users off to plug their funding gaps.