Parking stories in the News/media

pinkelephant12

Half_way said:

sometimes it makes you wonder if there is any collusion, and/or cosy relationships between PPCs and management companies/agencys etc.

If the personal liability aspect of GDPR could be used against management company personal, as a well as supermarket managers or expect is responsible for allowing a ppc to operate  then the tables may will turn against parking companys .

frim my understanding, in the days of clamping one bit osf advice was to get the money back from the car park owner

@Half_way - definitely right.  My understanding is that some management companies give incentives for staff who ‘upsell’ various additional services, regardless of whether they are actually needed, and the management company takes a commission/fee.

My view is that the best way of holding residential management companies to account is for DVLA to have a separate KADOE code which would have to be entered for ‘breach of terms and conditions of residential car park’.  PPCs would have to get written consent from the management company in each case to obtain the details for the Keeper of that vehicle in that parking space.  If the management company wrongly gave consent, they would be easy to pursue for a data breach claim.  

DVLA needs to recognise that contact law applies differently to residential car parks in view of 'primacy of contract'.  They currently don't appear to understand this and treat them exactly like retail car parks.

patient_dream

THIS IS FOOD FOR THOUGHT .....

Ian Hislop (Private Eye) appears in front of a Select Committee on lobbying. 
You can watch it on Youtube by searching "Ian Hislop embarrasses MP's in their own select committee on lobbying"

The point being that MP's can and do sit on boards of companies where they are paid with the expectation of lobbying. 

In the great parking scam, we must wonder who might on their payroll

AmikoFrizz982

Half_way said:

sometimes it makes you wonder if there is any collusion, and/or cosy relationships between PPCs and management companies/agencys etc.

Well, of course there is, I'd say. Some of the biggest property management companies work almost everywhere in the Country with the same PPCs, using the same tactics and annoying the residents often for no reason.

Interestingly, in a complaint I raised with a PM up to "stage 2" of their procedure (the highest possible before the Ombudsman), the "Head of Operations - London" in charge of the complaint stated the following: "You have suggested that we are misguiding users so that we can benefit from revenue – I would like to clarify that ********* do not make any money from this contract with PCM." Very hard to believe, in my opinion. Maybe the deal is on a flat yearly fee and not on the number of tickets issued, leaving the PPCs free to harass the public in the aim to make more money as possible from every location managed?

Coupon-mad

Wonder how proud the BPA are about ex-clampers Premier Park and Debt Recovery Plus hounding a terminally ill disabled lady for forgetting to display her Blue Badge one day when shopping:

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/dying-glasgow-pensioner-months-live-27283213.amp

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/terminally-ill-scots-pensioner-hounded-30428596.amp

Premier Park and Debt Recovery Plus this is my opinion: you are not wanted or needed anywhere in the UK; you have both been named and shamed by MPs over the years and you do nothing positive for motorists.

Why not stop hounding people, just get lost and go & get real jobs.  Do something that actually helps society instead. 

patient_dream

Coupon-mad said:

Wonder how proud the BPA are about ex-clampers Premier Park and Debt Recovery Plus hounding a terminally ill disabled lady for forgetting to display her Blue Badge one day when shopping:

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/dying-glasgow-pensioner-months-live-27283213.amp

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/terminally-ill-scots-pensioner-hounded-30428596.amp

Premier Park and Debt Recovery Plus this is my opinion: you are not wanted or needed anywhere in the UK; you have both been named and shamed by MPs over the years and you do nothing positive for motorists.

Why not stop hounding people, just get lost and go & get real jobs.  Do something that actually helps society instead. 

What a short memory these money scammers have ... many of us will remember the Brirish Gas saga where they hounded an elderly couple with debt collectors only to discover the couple killed themselves because of the pressure

The BPA needs to wake up because if similar happens again due to the wild animals that operate DRP .... the finger will be pointed AT the BPA.
What fool at the BPA decided that unruly money scammers should be part of their business model ?  That includes the OSNER/ZZPS scammer

AND IN THE BPA PROPAGANDA ......
DfT Parliamentary Under Secretary of State Richard Holden praises work of BPA and its leading initiatives.
WHAT A COMPLETE JOKER

Holden is clueless ... wonder what he would do if his mother or grandmother got caught up in the APPROVED BPA SCAM ?

The cartel that operates the BPA will be their downfall and government should not praise them, more so investigate the biggest UK SCAM

B789

Rubbish journalism:

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/east-midlands-airport-cancels-225-8591676

Coupon-mad

Not a newspaper article but you will all be interested.

Read it and weep at how parking firms and their aggressive agents throw money at the court and tribunals system:

Trace Debt Recovery v the ICO

https://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKFTT/GRC/2023/600.html

They want disclosure of stuff.

The DLUHC must cough up some emails about what led to the 2022 iteration of the Parking Code and the decision to ban debt recovery 'fees'.

Particular lowlights are the load of utter twaddle spewed out at paragraph 63 - take note - this is what the industry will say to DLUHC as part of the Public Consultation, this is what WE must counter...

... and also at para 6 the Tribunal themselves astonishingly spouts about the Beavis case (out of context) muddling up 'tariffs' with 'parking charges' - saying (wrongly) that it is impossible to run parking without tariffs(?!) - and giving the industry and their horrific bully DRAs yet another veil of legitimacy, having swallowed the line that DRAs are kindly resolvers of disputes who offer some sort of 'fair court buffer' and happily cancel PCNs due to mitigation.

Pull the other one.

B789

In relation to substance, it is submitted that the proposal to ban debt recovery fees would be likely to lead to a number of adverse effects, including the following:

63.1.  Private parking companies would reduce their use of DRAs, thereby reducing the opportunity for motorists to engage in relation to unpaid parking debts before the matter went to Court.

63.2.  Private parking operators would be likely to make greater use of the county courts to enforce unpaid parking debts, leading to an increased burden on the Courts.

63.3.  The increasing use of the Courts would in turn lead to an increase in the number of county court judgments against motorists in respect of unpaid parking debt, leading to an adverse effect on their credit scores.

63.4.  Parking debts would become more difficult to enforce, leading to a reduction in the available amount of private parking and/or an increase in the parking tariffs charged.

63.5.  DRAs have expertise in identifying cases where parking debts ought not to be pursued (either because there is a good excuse or mitigation for any non- payment, or because the individual in question is vulnerable in some way). Absent their involvement, there is an increased risk that parking debts would be pursued in cases of this nature.

63.6.  If there had been a consultation about the proposal to ban debt recovery fees, those involved in the private parking and debt recovery industries would have sought to advance arguments along the above lines in the course of that consultation.

They fail to mention the fact that their debt recovery tactics rely on intimidation and lies as they are not a party to the alleged contract that has been breached by the motorist. All provable.

Just need someone with the skill to expose the utter bovine testicles that Trace is spouting and make it public. 

B789

You've also got to writhe at this comment from Mr Ellis of TDR:

In his evidence Mr. Ellis raises a number of serious consequences which Trace Debt say will flow from the decision to ban debt recovery fees. They include the viability of companies such as Trace Debt and significant impacts on the opportunity for motorists, including vulnerable motorists, to engage in relation to unpaid fees before the matter ends up in Court. Although it is not for the tribunal to judge whether these are valid points, they are certainly points which Trace Debt and others have not had the opportunity to raise in the public consultation process, because the consultations were conducted on the basis that it was the amount rather than the principle of debt recovery fees that was up for consideration.

patient_dream

B789, as always from you, an assessment of pure logic

They include the viability of companies such as Trace Debt and significant impacts on the opportunity for motorists, including vulnerable motorists, to engage in relation to unpaid fees before the matter ends up in Court.

What IMPACT Mr Ellis of TDR:  ??  You are charging EXTORTION MONEY that was never included in POFA, more so an invention by the BPA Osner scam 
YOU and the others of your kind copied this scam into your own portfolio .... and it is a SCAM

The Supreme Court ruled that the parking charge was set and to include the recovery of the charge ... IE: THE OPERATION

WHY Mr Ellis do you think that legals like DCBL has a very poor record of discontinuations ...... it's because they waste taxpayers money and waste the time of the courts

Cut the crap Mr Ellis, become a human being and join the real world and stop trying to scam people

This will be a copy and paste into the YAWN YAWN consultation

PS: Not really sure if Messrs Gove and Sunak understand the real world