Smart meter removal/Economy 10

GoneWestWoman

Scot_39 said:

Again - that worries me - as by implication - that means that the (as of June according to Elexon) there were c1m with RTS metering - some maybe on E10, others on even more complex multirate systems.

And makes me think - are they really just being forced onto bog standard E7 metering ?

Which for many - especially in Scotland - just wont cut it on a winters day - where SP have complex RTS tariffs that actually extend off peak hours seasonally - at least 2 of which allow in theory between 0 and 14 hours depending on weather for NSH circuits - to allow enough heating.

From what I’ve been able to ascertain from OFGEM, the Ombudsman and speaking to many providers and various helplines it does look as though they WILL be forced into E7 until line of them decides o step up and sort it?  Octopus would have been my first thought, but they’re not doing anything to date.  I’m still “on it” though!

Chrysalis

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Scot_39 said:

And suspect Octopus if wanted to offer the tariff could use the 1/2 hr usage data to bill e10 rates just as it can to do with many of it's other smart tariffs - iirc uses that for agile and maybe smart ev.

They do this for Flux and most likely for Cosy as well.  In theory they certainly should be able to do it for E10 but I don't know how much work goes into putting a new set of tariff rates into the system, and (from posts on the other thread https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80250679/#Comment_80250679 ) it's clear they're not going to.

Just mentioned this on another thread, they wouldnt even need to do 30 min intervals, every hour would be fine. 

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80285478/#Comment_80285478

A smart meter doesnt need an E10 mode as it provides the data already necessarily to allow a billing system to bill that way, could do economy 9, 8, 6 or whatever.

Spoonie_Turtle

@AnnieRichards in case you still need a suitable tariff, Octopus now lets people with electric boilers onto Cosy. 

GoneWestWoman

Spoonie_Turtle said:

@AnnieRichards in case you still need a suitable tariff, Octopus now lets people with electric boilers onto Cosy. 

Thanks for that!  I was literally sitting here wondering what to do about the cost during the past few days and saw your comment, so very well timed.

It’s 09:40 and the current ppu on the Agile tariff is 57.36.  For most of the past 7 days it’s been very high and between 4 and 7 pm tonight it again goes to 99.99 ppu which means my heating would cost £9.50 per hour to heat to 18/19 degrees.

On the whole the Agile tariff has worked for me as I’m able to adjust my life around it because I’m a single person household but since the energy price rise at the beginning of the month I’ve really noticed a huge increase to the 30 minute ppu.

In 2023 my total energy bill was £1,260 (3502 units) and 2024 was £964 (3302 units).

Thank you for the heads up!

Scot_39

Agile is at the mercy of the winds.

It might be dirt cheap on Fri.

That is if too many of the turbines don't have to lock down as too windy in the gusts across most of  UK. 

Around 55mph was a common shutdown level.  winds in Scotland and N England gusting to 80 plus in Amber zone

QrizB

@AnnieRichards from your posts on the tracker thread I think you're now on Snug? Have Octopus sent the switching times to your meter and can you see your new tariff on your IHD (I'm assuming you have one and it works)?

GoneWestWoman

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QrizB said:

@AnnieRichards from your posts on the tracker thread I think you're now on Snug? Have Octopus sent the switching times to your meter and can you see your new tariff on your IHD (I'm assuming you have one and it works)?

I’m assuming you mean Octopus Cosy?  Yes, I called them today and within a few minutes the new tariff on the mobile app changed and was showing the Cosy tariff along with the times and pricing.  I don’t have the IHD, a few months ago I was given the little pink dongle thingy (sorry can’t remember its proper name!) which connects to my wifi and sends data directly to my mobile and iPad.  It’s far more accurate from my experience and I can see my usage “live”; every 30 mins; daily; weekly; monthly and yearly.  I do have a Smets2 meter which has been in situ since 2023 and as promised it seems to update immediately so not sure if that’s what made the switch so fast or whether the pink dongle has something to do with it.  I had my heating on for the first time since Jan 2023 and was boiling!  Had to turn ift off again 😄😄

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QrizB

Sorry, yes, Cosy; Snug is the storage heater tariff!

I've got an Octopus Home Mini too, I agree it's a useful little thing.

AnnieRichards said:

I had my heating on for the first time since Jan 2023 and was boiling!  Had to turn ift off again 😄😄

OK, just warm things up slowly, you'll get used to it again   and I'm glad you're happy!

Gerry1

Well, at least they've got rid of that highly misleading sine wave graph of the hourly rates !

Phones4Chris

AnnieRichards said:
Yes, I called them today and within a few minutes the new tariff on the mobile app changed and was showing the Cosy tariff along with the times and pricing.  I don’t have the IHD, a few months ago I was given the little pink dongle thingy (sorry can’t remember its proper name!) which connects to my wifi and sends data directly to my mobile and iPad.  It’s far more accurate from my experience and I can see my usage “live”; every 30 mins; daily; weekly; monthly and yearly.  I do have a Smets2 meter which has been in situ since 2023 and as promised it seems to update immediately so not sure if that’s what made the switch so fast or whether the pink dongle has something to do with it.  I had my heating on for the first time since Jan 2023 and was boiling!  Had to turn ift off again 😄😄

None of those has any effect on the switch, they are just very efficient at changing tariff's most of the time