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Car_54 said:

[Deleted User] said:

ontheroad1970 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Flight3287462 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Looking forward to apologies from everyone who gave bad advice here. Looks like it was well worth signing up to one of these lawsuits, and those with the foresight to do so are in for a nice payout.

Imagine how you would feel if you had taken that advice and missed out. I wonder if you can still join.

Really you'll be waiting a long time.  You have suffered no loss and have just jumped on a greedy bandwagon.  Hopefully what goes around comes around.

You hope VW owners will be sued and settle out of court? Seems rather vindictive.

The loss they suffered is in the value of the vehicle and the damage to their health. There is also the psychological harm caused by knowing that their vehicle was contributing more than they thought to climate change and damaging other people's health.

Some people also had to have their cars modified when the scandal came to light. As well as the time wasted, VW have not been very clear about the effects of the fix and that would probably have come out in court. I suspect they were significant.

Just because you value it at £0 is meaningless, it's what a court would value it at. VW seems to think it would be at least £190 million.

Don't all cars burning fuel do this?  So why aren't people sueing train companies also - after all diesel trains put out emissions too.  VW have admitted nothing Greedy so and sos have taken taken their 30 pieces of silver out of sheer greed.  VW settling doesn't mean it thought it would lose.  It has done it to draw a line as a bit of PR.  Statute of limitations stops any further claims which is the reason for the timing.

Because everyone accepts that there is a legal limit to the harm being done, and VW exceeded it.

So, what is this legal limit that ‘everyone’ accepts?

The legal limit on emissions. At the time it was an EU limit.

Car_54

[Deleted User] said:

Car_54 said:

[Deleted User] said:

ontheroad1970 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Flight3287462 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Looking forward to apologies from everyone who gave bad advice here. Looks like it was well worth signing up to one of these lawsuits, and those with the foresight to do so are in for a nice payout.

Imagine how you would feel if you had taken that advice and missed out. I wonder if you can still join.

Really you'll be waiting a long time.  You have suffered no loss and have just jumped on a greedy bandwagon.  Hopefully what goes around comes around.

You hope VW owners will be sued and settle out of court? Seems rather vindictive.

The loss they suffered is in the value of the vehicle and the damage to their health. There is also the psychological harm caused by knowing that their vehicle was contributing more than they thought to climate change and damaging other people's health.

Some people also had to have their cars modified when the scandal came to light. As well as the time wasted, VW have not been very clear about the effects of the fix and that would probably have come out in court. I suspect they were significant.

Just because you value it at £0 is meaningless, it's what a court would value it at. VW seems to think it would be at least £190 million.

Don't all cars burning fuel do this?  So why aren't people sueing train companies also - after all diesel trains put out emissions too.  VW have admitted nothing Greedy so and sos have taken taken their 30 pieces of silver out of sheer greed.  VW settling doesn't mean it thought it would lose.  It has done it to draw a line as a bit of PR.  Statute of limitations stops any further claims which is the reason for the timing.

Because everyone accepts that there is a legal limit to the harm being done, and VW exceeded it.

So, what is this legal limit that ‘everyone’ accepts?

The legal limit on emissions. At the time it was an EU limit.

Indeed. But it was the US limit which VW allegedly exceeded.

[Deleted User]

Car_54 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Car_54 said:

[Deleted User] said:

ontheroad1970 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Flight3287462 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Looking forward to apologies from everyone who gave bad advice here. Looks like it was well worth signing up to one of these lawsuits, and those with the foresight to do so are in for a nice payout.

Imagine how you would feel if you had taken that advice and missed out. I wonder if you can still join.

Really you'll be waiting a long time.  You have suffered no loss and have just jumped on a greedy bandwagon.  Hopefully what goes around comes around.

You hope VW owners will be sued and settle out of court? Seems rather vindictive.

The loss they suffered is in the value of the vehicle and the damage to their health. There is also the psychological harm caused by knowing that their vehicle was contributing more than they thought to climate change and damaging other people's health.

Some people also had to have their cars modified when the scandal came to light. As well as the time wasted, VW have not been very clear about the effects of the fix and that would probably have come out in court. I suspect they were significant.

Just because you value it at £0 is meaningless, it's what a court would value it at. VW seems to think it would be at least £190 million.

Don't all cars burning fuel do this?  So why aren't people sueing train companies also - after all diesel trains put out emissions too.  VW have admitted nothing Greedy so and sos have taken taken their 30 pieces of silver out of sheer greed.  VW settling doesn't mean it thought it would lose.  It has done it to draw a line as a bit of PR.  Statute of limitations stops any further claims which is the reason for the timing.

Because everyone accepts that there is a legal limit to the harm being done, and VW exceeded it.

So, what is this legal limit that ‘everyone’ accepts?

The legal limit on emissions. At the time it was an EU limit.

Indeed. But it was the US limit which VW allegedly exceeded.

And the EU one. They cheated on both.

DrEskimo

rigolith said:

Car_54 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Car_54 said:

[Deleted User] said:

ontheroad1970 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Flight3287462 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Looking forward to apologies from everyone who gave bad advice here. Looks like it was well worth signing up to one of these lawsuits, and those with the foresight to do so are in for a nice payout.

Imagine how you would feel if you had taken that advice and missed out. I wonder if you can still join.

Really you'll be waiting a long time.  You have suffered no loss and have just jumped on a greedy bandwagon.  Hopefully what goes around comes around.

You hope VW owners will be sued and settle out of court? Seems rather vindictive.

The loss they suffered is in the value of the vehicle and the damage to their health. There is also the psychological harm caused by knowing that their vehicle was contributing more than they thought to climate change and damaging other people's health.

Some people also had to have their cars modified when the scandal came to light. As well as the time wasted, VW have not been very clear about the effects of the fix and that would probably have come out in court. I suspect they were significant.

Just because you value it at £0 is meaningless, it's what a court would value it at. VW seems to think it would be at least £190 million.

Don't all cars burning fuel do this?  So why aren't people sueing train companies also - after all diesel trains put out emissions too.  VW have admitted nothing Greedy so and sos have taken taken their 30 pieces of silver out of sheer greed.  VW settling doesn't mean it thought it would lose.  It has done it to draw a line as a bit of PR.  Statute of limitations stops any further claims which is the reason for the timing.

Because everyone accepts that there is a legal limit to the harm being done, and VW exceeded it.

So, what is this legal limit that ‘everyone’ accepts?

The legal limit on emissions. At the time it was an EU limit.

Indeed. But it was the US limit which VW allegedly exceeded.

And the EU one. They cheated on both.

I think you are conflating two different issues. Whether the cars met the test conditions, and how the cars performed in test conditions relative to real world conditions.

I can't find any evidence of what the NOx values were without the cheat device during the EPA test cycle. Does anyone have this? 

The US testing limit at the time was 0.043g/km, whereas EU4 was 0.3g/km and EU5 is 0.18g/km. EU thresholds were substantially higher than the US during the affected years. It's very possible that even without the cheat device, the cars would have failed the US test, but passed the EU tests. So unless you have that data, you can't know if it failed EU and US testing.

The whole scandal broke when researchers tested the real world emissions of these cars, which were as high as 0.6g/km. However this is not specific to VW. The ICCT found that most diesels at the time were reporting real world emissions many times over the test results. But this is just the fact that the testing procedures have to be strict and unrealistic in order to be perfectly reproducible for every car. The emissions during these test cycles represent the best case scenario for most cars due to how careful and efficient they are driven in the test environment. Hence why the MPG and EV ranges tend to be much higher than in real world driving.

So relative to other diesel cars in terms of real world driving (arguably the only thing that matters when it comes to personal claims), your VW was no more polluting that many other diesel cars.

Jenni_D

I noticed an ad on TV over the weekend that used the £193m pay-out from VW as part of the ad ... "Look what we have achieved so far" was the thrust of it, then inviting people to join the claim (against other manufacturers presumably).

diystarter7

[Deleted User] said:

Looking forward to apologies from everyone who gave bad advice here. Looks like it was well worth signing up to one of these lawsuits, and those with the foresight to do so are in for a nice payout.

Imagine how you would feel if you had taken that advice and missed out. I wonder if you can still join.

Hear, hear.

Ibrahim5

So you go on holiday and when you come back a solicitor phones you up and says if you had food poisoning just fill in a few forms and they can get you a couple of grand. Is the advice to go for it? Some chancers will always go for the free cash. Others are more honest.

boobyd

Amazing how when "" free " monry/compensation is there the moral values come out, Psychological damage, harm to me etc
Yet I have a I phone etc to use on line, I heat my home by oil, gas etc 
I go to a supermarket to get my shopping et etc etc. 
I use dairy products cows don't arf fart
A minute amount of consumers would have looked at Nox when getting their car, the majority would have been guided by Price, like vehicle, Ved and maybe CO2

k3lvc

boobyd said:

A minute amount of consumers would have looked at Nox when getting their car, the majority would have been guided by Price, like vehicle, Ved and maybe CO2

Probably a less than minute number given that at the time there was no mention of Nox emissions on any of the UK customer facing literature/information from any of the major manufacturers

ratbark

In 2015 I bought a 2010 Audi A4 Avant Tdi, which was recalled.
I didn't buy it for any other reasons than I liked it and it would serve well as a family car.
I could join in on the claim but I won't on principle. I didn't lose out in any way, so why should I claim anything 🤷