Asbestos

spoovy

I've just bought an early 60s house with visible artex on almost every ceiling. I looked at removing it myself, there is a product you can paint on which penetrates the stuff allowing it to be scraped off safely, but not cheap and it would be very messy. 
I decided to just get the ceilings skimmed in the end.  A few grand for the whole house, no big deal in the grand scheme of things.  If you're worried about drilling afterwards you can do it through shaving foam to capture any stray particles.

babyblade41

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

Then your only option is to buy new , that's the only way for you as your threshold for asbestos is virtually nil .

Most properties will have it somewhere, the only way you can guarantee is buy a house somewhere after it was last used..

A lot of public buildings have asbestos without you even knowing 

Reality is I will have to just accept these valid risks. As there's not much out there with my budget. 

TBH I don't think you would be happy living with the compromise, your worries about it are quite substantial & you would make a very expensive mistake 

Slithery

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

If this is a concern then you have much bigger problems with your risk assessment than the remote possibility of tiny amounts of asbestos...
You're thousands of times more likely to get run over by a car...

GDB2222

Slithery said:

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

If this is a concern then you have much bigger problems with your risk assessment than the remote possibility of tiny amounts of asbestos...
You're thousands of times more likely to get run over by a car...

I don’t think that the judgmental comment is helpful. Besides that, 4 times as many people die from asbestos as die on the roads, and I am not sure your ‘thousands of times' is right. 

Slithery

GDB2222 said:

Slithery said:

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

If this is a concern then you have much bigger problems with your risk assessment than the remote possibility of tiny amounts of asbestos...
You're thousands of times more likely to get run over by a car...

I don’t think that the judgmental comment is helpful. Besides that, 4 times as many people die from asbestos as die on the roads, and I am not sure your ‘thousands of times' is right. 

I would argue that the amount of people recorded with asbestos related deaths are largely an elderly population that used to work in the industry producing it. The death-rate for people that have never worked in that industry is likely to be far lower than the current national average.

F37A

Slithery said:

GDB2222 said:

Slithery said:

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

If this is a concern then you have much bigger problems with your risk assessment than the remote possibility of tiny amounts of asbestos...
You're thousands of times more likely to get run over by a car...

I don’t think that the judgmental comment is helpful. Besides that, 4 times as many people die from asbestos as die on the roads, and I am not sure your ‘thousands of times' is right. 

I would argue that the amount of people recorded with asbestos related deaths are largely an elderly population that used to work in the industry producing it. The death-rate for people that have never worked in that industry is likely to be far lower than the current national average.

If you have a source backing up that argument or unbiased data on total number of UK deaths / other diseases caused by asbestos? and what the cause was believed to be? then this would help put the discussion to bed. It may be that this ceiling asbestos condition is nothing to worry about and doesn't cause any ill health but would want something credible to draw conclusions from. 

babyblade41

F37A said:

Slithery said:

GDB2222 said:

Slithery said:

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

If this is a concern then you have much bigger problems with your risk assessment than the remote possibility of tiny amounts of asbestos...
You're thousands of times more likely to get run over by a car...

I don’t think that the judgmental comment is helpful. Besides that, 4 times as many people die from asbestos as die on the roads, and I am not sure your ‘thousands of times' is right. 

I would argue that the amount of people recorded with asbestos related deaths are largely an elderly population that used to work in the industry producing it. The death-rate for people that have never worked in that industry is likely to be far lower than the current national average.

If you have a source backing up that argument or unbiased data on total number of UK deaths / other diseases caused by asbestos? and what the cause was believed to be? then this would help put the discussion to bed. It may be that this ceiling asbestos condition is nothing to worry about and doesn't cause any ill health but would want something credible to draw conclusions from.

There really isn't any exact data  with asbestos deaths as the dormant factor is so vast .

When my late Mother died of it the only thing that anyone could put it down to was dust from the overalls my Dad used to wear.  she used to shake them outside then  hand wash them . He was a lorry mechanic and brake shoes were made from asbestos..That was 50 years previously .

Asbestos cancer lies dormant for many years  so no one factor can be attributed to one particular thing unless you used to work in a totally asbestos related industry.  My Mum was given an instant compensation payout  from government to help with her needs at end of life 

The risk factor you are worried about in artex ceilings is just too minuscule to document.

You run a higher risk of getting electrocuted from dodgy wiring 

ETA.. you had the report 10 days ago, have you pulled out of your purchase ?

F37A

babyblade41 said:

F37A said:

Slithery said:

GDB2222 said:

Slithery said:

F37A said:

babyblade41 said:

@F37A, I think you really are worrying too much .

The minuscule amount  of Asbestos in artex is not really worth worrying about. 

Older properties  will have it elsewhere & not just ceilings .

Overboarding is the most safest way as once it's  covered there will be no need to drill into it afterwards. 

You will have more hazardous things going to work & back than the problems with Artex ceilings 

What if I have a builder and his other builders round I tell the builder about asbestos. I leave him alone and meanwhile one of his builders start drilling ceiling. Then what?

What if there is a burst pipe from upstairs that soaks the ceiling 

What if you have to make home improvement due to EPC deficiencies. (Not sure how much this would impact ceilings)

Why would you live with hazardous substance in your bedroom.

Also over time it will inevitably get disturbed that's what happens. 

If this is a concern then you have much bigger problems with your risk assessment than the remote possibility of tiny amounts of asbestos...
You're thousands of times more likely to get run over by a car...

I don’t think that the judgmental comment is helpful. Besides that, 4 times as many people die from asbestos as die on the roads, and I am not sure your ‘thousands of times' is right. 

I would argue that the amount of people recorded with asbestos related deaths are largely an elderly population that used to work in the industry producing it. The death-rate for people that have never worked in that industry is likely to be far lower than the current national average.

If you have a source backing up that argument or unbiased data on total number of UK deaths / other diseases caused by asbestos? and what the cause was believed to be? then this would help put the discussion to bed. It may be that this ceiling asbestos condition is nothing to worry about and doesn't cause any ill health but would want something credible to draw conclusions from.

There really isn't any exact data  with asbestos deaths as the dormant factor is so vast .

When my late Mother died of it the only thing that anyone could put it down to was dust from the overalls my Dad used to wear.  she used to shake them outside then  hand wash them . He was a lorry mechanic and brake shoes were made from asbestos..That was 50 years previously .

Asbestos cancer lies dormant for many years  so no one factor can be attributed to one particular thing unless you used to work in a totally asbestos related industry.  My Mum was given an instant compensation payout  from government to help with her needs at end of life 

The risk factor you are worried about in artex ceilings is just too minuscule to document.

You run a higher risk of getting electrocuted from dodgy wiring 

ETA.. you had the report 10 days ago, have you pulled out of your purchase ?

Sorry to hear about what happened to your mum. Indeed I pulled out. Except I'm finding many many of these properties so will likely have to take a gamble and go with it for a few years at least. 

fortcollinsradonco

If you do decide to live in the home, it's important to be aware of the potential risks and take steps to minimize exposure to the asbestos. This may include avoiding activities that could damage the asbestos materials, like drilling or sanding, and regularly checking for signs of damage or deterioration.

Ultimately, the decision about how to proceed with the asbestos in your home is up to you. It may be helpful to speak with a professional asbestos consultant or a trusted real estate agent to get a better sense of your options and any potential impacts on the value of your home.

lincroft1710

fortcollinsradonco said:

If you do decide to live in the home, it's important to be aware of the potential risks and take steps to minimize exposure to the asbestos. This may include avoiding activities that could damage the asbestos materials, like drilling or sanding, and regularly checking for signs of damage or deterioration.

Ultimately, the decision about how to proceed with the asbestos in your home is up to you. It may be helpful to speak with a professional asbestos consultant or a trusted real estate agent to get a better sense of your options and any potential impacts on the value of your home.

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