Big power off 10pm tonight

Ultrasonic

Section62 said:

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

What makes you think this? I'd actually guess the opposite, in part for the reason you went on to describe.

Because there's a not insignificant proportion of the population willing to protest, without necessarily understanding what they are protesting about, nor having thought through the consequences of the action they are calling for.  The same often goes for governments and the development of policy.

Based on what? I clearly have far more respect for those spending their time promoting action to address climate change.

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Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

If there's a climate crisis, and if we are going to do something about it, then consumption (of energy and resources) has got to be reduced.  Costs (through taxes and levies) is one of the main levers governments have to influence people's consumption.

It won't work if people get (or continue to get) subsidies to offset the application of a brake on consumption.  Very few people advocate for cheaper alcohol, sugar, fat, or tobacco for people who can least afford it.  We should - if we are serious - add energy to that list.  (not my personal view btw)

I spend around £550 a year on energy before the rise in April. If I cut anymore I might as well wash myself and my clothes in the river and spend all day and evening in a Supermarket 

Section62

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

What makes you think this? I'd actually guess the opposite, in part for the reason you went on to describe.

Because there's a not insignificant proportion of the population willing to protest, without necessarily understanding what they are protesting about, nor having thought through the consequences of the action they are calling for.  The same often goes for governments and the development of policy.

Based on what? I clearly have far more respect for those spending their time promoting action to address climate change.

Based on years of developing transport and environment policy, talking to people, and reading thousands of responses to transport and environmental strategies and policies.

As for respect for those spending time promoting action to address climate change, you don't really have enough information to assess my position without risking jumping to the very wrong conclusion you have (see above re: "...without necessarily understanding..." etc)

Benny2020

Those that promote action on climate change are rarely good examples, insulate Britain protesters who when questioned admit that they don't have insulation, protesters sitting in the road causing congestion and people complaining about gas and oil drilling in this country when the alternative is importing oil and gas and transporting in tankers.
And as Leo Kearse said recently, you just know these people did not arrive at the protest on a horse.

Ultrasonic

Section62 said:

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

What makes you think this? I'd actually guess the opposite, in part for the reason you went on to describe.

Because there's a not insignificant proportion of the population willing to protest, without necessarily understanding what they are protesting about, nor having thought through the consequences of the action they are calling for.  The same often goes for governments and the development of policy.

Based on what? I clearly have far more respect for those spending their time promoting action to address climate change.

Based on years of developing transport and environment policy, talking to people, and reading thousands of responses to transport and environmental strategies and policies.

As for respect for those spending time promoting action to address climate change, you don't really have enough information to assess my position without risking jumping to the very wrong conclusion you have (see above re: "...without necessarily understanding..." etc)

You're the one making assumptions about others, not me.

Section62

Ultrasonic said:

You're the one making assumptions about others, not me.

I'm not sure how you could state "I clearly have far more respect for those spending their time promoting action to address climate change." without making assumptions about the respect I have for those people.

My comments were an observation on the population in general, not assumptions about any individual or groups of individuals.  A nuance which appears to be lost.

Furthermore, "people protesting about the climate crisis" and people "spending their time promoting action to address climate change" are not one and the same.  Another lost nuance it seems.

otb666

As the price paid by electric companies is based on the peaks on grid.  When everyone puts kettle on after hour is up this will only push up the prices in the future

MattMattMattUK

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

What makes you think this? I'd actually guess the opposite, in part for the reason you went on to describe.

Because there's a not insignificant proportion of the population willing to protest, without necessarily understanding what they are protesting about, nor having thought through the consequences of the action they are calling for.  The same often goes for governments and the development of policy.

Based on what? I clearly have far more respect for those spending their time promoting action to address climate change.

Most of the people I know who bang on about climate change are hypocrites, they travel a lot (when allowed), buy lots of clothes, eat lots of meat, drive cars with excessively large engines. Meanwhile I just get on with it, I eat a lot less meat than I used to (only 1-3 meals a week), only buy clothes when needed, drive an efficient car which is 10 years old and I will replace with an EV when it dies, I ride my bike almost as much as I drive (admittedly more in summer than winter), fly minimally, do not buy imported fruit, took my company carbon neutral, shifted all packaging to fully recycled and recyclable card for boxes and paper tape, zero plastics in packing materials, my financial investments are in green or neutral companies and funds. Meanwhile I see a lot of people who talk the talk, but refuse to do any walking. 

Actions count, words are just more hot air and CO2.