Big power off 10pm tonight

MattMattMattUK

Deleted_User said:

casjen said:

People can protest as much as they like.

 However there is not one person on the planet who  is entitled to have their personal protesting, interfere or disrupt ME going about my daily business regardless of what that business is.

Pointless statement. 

 When people protest they are willing to cross other peoples boundaries and even break the law because they feel they have no other option. 

Most people protest because they are having a tantrum and are not getting their own way, not because they have no other options. 

markin

They should start with a petition.  https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=open&q=energy

1. Increase the basic state pensions by £500 a year as an emergency measure

   20,893 signatures

2. End the ban on fracking

   16,078 signatures

3. Allow consumers the right to refuse the £200 energy rebate

   11,638 signatures

4. Provide an energy grant to people with a disability or serious medical condition

   7,789 signatures

5. Produce a Farmland Protection Policy to regulate the loss of farmland to solar

   6,245 signatures

6. Hold an urgent inquiry into the energy crisis, and remove VAT on fuel

   3,159 signatures

7. Nationalise Energy Companies

   1,307 signatures

8. Tax 50% of the Energy Companies profits to help households pay bills.

   1,223 signatures

9. Extend the energy price cap to small businesses

   1,124 signatures

10. Prepare & deliver a strategy for developing and using Tidal energy in the UK

    1,053 signatures

11. Place the strictest possible sanctions on Russia until it withdraws from Ukraine

    818 signatures

12. Commit to UK natural gas and increase investment

    613 signatures

13. Create new publicly owned solar energy company to address fuel & climate crisis

    483 signatures

14. Stop giving aid to India

    451 signatures

15. Repeal the Climate Change Act 2008

    302 signatures

16. Subsidise energy prices to offset any increase in the energy price cap

    267 signatures

17. Revoke Development Consent for the Riverside Energy Park in SE London

    205 signatures

18. Require energy suppliers report nation of origin of oil and gas supplies

    162 signatures

19. Introduce grants for home battery storage systems

    156 signatures

20. Change the Highway Code to recommend cyclists keep left in most circumstances

    141 signatures

21. Ban the use of prepayment meters for energy provision.

    140 signatures

22. Temporarily suspend all taxes on all fuels and energy bills

    116 signatures

23. Remove environmental and social obligation charges for electricity

    100 signatures

24. Require new large buildings include renewable energy generation

    98 signatures

25. Reduce VAT For Hair And Beauty Salons to 5%

    88 signatures

26. Introduce mandatory carbon footprint ratings for all goods and services

    80 signatures

27. Introduce a cap for annual rent increases

    77 signatures

28. Fund payments to energy customers to cover price rises by taxing oil companies

    72 signatures

29. Do not give consent to the Rampion2 windfarm extension off the coast of Sussex

    70 signatures

30. Remove VAT from energy-saving products

    69 signatures

31. Reinstate 5% rate of VAT for the hospitality sector

    65 signatures

32. Only fund renewable energy projects manufactured in the UK

    64 signatures

33. Require companies to display environmental rating of the products on packaging

    63 signatures

34. Increase UC by £20/week for disabled claimants with limited capability to work.

    55 signatures

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MattMattMattUK said:

Deleted_User said:

casjen said:

People can protest as much as they like.

 However there is not one person on the planet who  is entitled to have their personal protesting, interfere or disrupt ME going about my daily business regardless of what that business is.

Pointless statement. 

 When people protest they are willing to cross other peoples boundaries and even break the law because they feel they have no other option. 

Most people protest because they are having a tantrum and are not getting their own way, not because they have no other options. 

You might be right but there still doing it and causing issues for the police and general public. 

MovingForwards

Apparently the next one is 7pm on the 16th.

matelodave

MovingForwards said:

Apparently the next one is 7pm on the 16th.

 Will it make any difference, will anyone notice and will most of us really care.

I what way do people that disrupt peoples lives or livelihoods, damage property, cost thousand if not millins of pounds worth of damage to the economy and make a thorough nuisance of themselves feel that their actions in anyway manage to engage public sympathy or further their cause.

In most cases it alienates them and cause those in power to impose even more power to curtail their actions so ultimately it becomes self defeating.

Section62

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jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

If there's a climate crisis, and if we are going to do something about it, then consumption (of energy and resources) has got to be reduced.  Costs (through taxes and levies) is one of the main levers governments have to influence people's consumption.

It won't work if people get (or continue to get) subsidies to offset the application of a brake on consumption.  Very few people advocate for cheaper alcohol, sugar, fat, or tobacco for people who can least afford it.  We should - if we are serious - add energy to that list.  (not my personal view btw)

Ultrasonic

Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

What makes you think this? I'd actually guess the opposite, in part for the reason you went on to describe.

Section62

Ultrasonic said:

Section62 said:

Deleted_User said:

jimjames said:

Funny how people will share stuff like this on social media but won't actually switch off devices or change their habits to save energy and money

It's not about saving it's about making some sort of protest because of rising costs. When you have a 50% rise and possible 40% rise in Oct its understandable more people will get frustrated 

I would guess there's a fairly large overlap on the Venn diagram of "people protesting about rising costs" and "people protesting about the climate crisis".

What makes you think this? I'd actually guess the opposite, in part for the reason you went on to describe.

Because there's a not insignificant proportion of the population willing to protest, without necessarily understanding what they are protesting about, nor having thought through the consequences of the action they are calling for.  The same often goes for governments and the development of policy.

Thrugelmir

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Thrugelmir said:

Deleted_User said:

GingerTim said:

Isn't the point of protest to be effective? This manifestly isn't.

You might well be right. A protest is only effective when it causes the Gov to pay attention and has the numbers willing to actually put themselves out there and risk what they have. Clearly sitting in your house and turning your power off for 10mins doesn't exactly do that 
 

Perhaps if everyone was more productive and constructive. Then we'd all be in a better place. Everybody seems to want a free lunch. While elsewhere in the world there's plenty of people who'll happily work hard to better themselves. Seems as if there's one of those pivotal crunch moments on the horizon. That people might see if they lifted their heads up rather than staring endlessly at their phones.. 

 It’s the governments responsibility to ensure equality of opportunity for all and to ensure the the gap between the haves and haves not doesn’t get too wide as to cause unrest. 

Then unfortunately you are in for a shock as the future unfolds. 

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Thrugelmir said:

Deleted_User said:

Thrugelmir said:

Deleted_User said:

GingerTim said:

Isn't the point of protest to be effective? This manifestly isn't.

You might well be right. A protest is only effective when it causes the Gov to pay attention and has the numbers willing to actually put themselves out there and risk what they have. Clearly sitting in your house and turning your power off for 10mins doesn't exactly do that 
 

Perhaps if everyone was more productive and constructive. Then we'd all be in a better place. Everybody seems to want a free lunch. While elsewhere in the world there's plenty of people who'll happily work hard to better themselves. Seems as if there's one of those pivotal crunch moments on the horizon. That people might see if they lifted their heads up rather than staring endlessly at their phones.. 

 It’s the governments responsibility to ensure equality of opportunity for all and to ensure the the gap between the haves and haves not doesn’t get too wide as to cause unrest. 

Then unfortunately you are in for a shock as the future unfolds. 

I’m not in for any shock. I will plod along in life and deal with anything that comes my way just like I have done for 5 decades