Stop Scaremongering

pochase

MouldyOldDough said:

pochase said:

MouldyOldDough said:

We pay £45 per month for electricity and gas (just increased from £25 dd) but are never cold or lacking any light

On average 75kWh elec per month 
40cu m gas per month
And I receive WHD (£145)

That does not match up at all.

Cost until yesterday would have been already £50pm, and from today onward in the region of £70pm.

Have you taken WHD into account?
Because THIS is what I am paying and keeping in credit by £100+

Why was your DD increased if you are in credit by more than £100?

Nevertheless your new cost will be around  £840 minus the £150 minus £100 credit = £590. That is almost £50pm. Or double the £25 that you paid only a short while ago.  

Ultrasonic

pochase said:

MouldyOldDough said:

pochase said:

MouldyOldDough said:

We pay £45 per month for electricity and gas (just increased from £25 dd) but are never cold or lacking any light

On average 75kWh elec per month 
40cu m gas per month
And I receive WHD (£145)

That does not match up at all.

Cost until yesterday would have been already £50pm, and from today onward in the region of £70pm.

Have you taken WHD into account?
Because THIS is what I am paying and keeping in credit by £100+

Why was your DD increased if you are in credit by more than £100?

Nevertheless your new cost will be around  £840 minus the £150 minus £100 credit = £590. That is almost £50pm. Or double the £25 that you paid only a short while ago.  

Which is in line with the £45 per month that MouldyOldDough has said they're paying now.

MouldyOldDough

Will the price of power drop when the current crisis is over?
And why have standing charges been allowed to triple over the last few months?
The price of transporting the power has remained constant - this increase makes a huge difference to low users like myself 

MWT

MouldyOldDough said:

Will the price of power drop when the current crisis is over?
And why have standing charges been allowed to triple over the last few months?
The price of transporting the power has remained constant - this increase makes a huge difference to low users like myself 

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6339555/mse-update-why-has-the-standing-charge-for-electricity-nearly-doubled#latest

MACKEM99

MouldyOldDough said:

I don't understand how people can pay more than 4 times what I am paying for power
How can someone use so much energy?
We pay £45 per month for electricity and gas (just increased from £25 dd) but are never cold or lacking any light
We don't cook over an open fire or heat water on a paraffin stove 
Our 3 bed house is insulated and double glazed avd we are in 24/7

Just seen an elderly lady on the BBC who said she had been paying £171 a month for energy and it was due to go up to 200 something cant recall exact figure it was increasing to.  That figure of £171 seems huge for one person?

MWT

MACKEM99 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

I don't understand how people can pay more than 4 times what I am paying for power
How can someone use so much energy?
We pay £45 per month for electricity and gas (just increased from £25 dd) but are never cold or lacking any light
We don't cook over an open fire or heat water on a paraffin stove 
Our 3 bed house is insulated and double glazed avd we are in 24/7

Just seen an elderly lady on the BBC who said she had been paying £171 a month for energy and it was due to go up to 200 something cant recall exact figure it was increasing to.  That figure of £171 seems huge for one person?

That's about the same as my father-in-law, single, living in a bungalow, elderly, not very active and very sensitive to the cold.

It isn't hard to spend a lot on heating even with gas, and various assistive devices, alarms etc. that ensure his safety while maintaining his independence keep his electricity bill above average as well.

MouldyOldDough

anotheruser said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Mstty said:

Most people don't understand units charges so they have broadly put it in terms for pence and pounds as an average for the average user.

Sorry - but why don't people understand unit charges ? I would have thought that that is a simple way of calculating energy use .

x uses y energy per hour - simple.

Because most people don't know how many units it would take to power a lightbulb for an hour.
Or power their TV, washing machine, fridge...  and what typeof lightbulb?  An LED one?  An old one?  Energy saving?  And the 4W bulb in that lamp is different to the 6W one in the ceiling lights - I probably have about 7 different types around my house - are you saying I should know the cost in units per hour for each one?

Yet people can understand they'll have to pay a lot more these days and that value is so unlikely to go down, it's not worth thinking about.

I agree

People don't realise that in order of consumption / running costs- it goes

KETTLES - But these only run for a few minutes a day

HEATING & TUMBLE DRIER
OVENs

WASHING MACHINES

TV's AND FRIDGES etc

And way down at the bottom....

.........

LED Lights

and below that

USB chargers

MAYBE Education is the answer ?
Ignore the worry worts who tell you not to leave things on standby 

https://www.gocompare.com/gas-and-electricity/guide/energy-per-kwh/ is wrong - it says that a fridge freezer uses 330watts - which is untrue (ours runs at around 100 watts and intermitently) (duty cycle)TV's as well - incorrectly rated as 150 watts - ours uses 1/3 of this

Broadwood

MouldyOldDough said:

anotheruser said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Mstty said:

Most people don't understand units charges so they have broadly put it in terms for pence and pounds as an average for the average user.

Sorry - but why don't people understand unit charges ? I would have thought that that is a simple way of calculating energy use .

x uses y energy per hour - simple.

Because most people don't know how many units it would take to power a lightbulb for an hour.
Or power their TV, washing machine, fridge...  and what typeof lightbulb?  An LED one?  An old one?  Energy saving?  And the 4W bulb in that lamp is different to the 6W one in the ceiling lights - I probably have about 7 different types around my house - are you saying I should know the cost in units per hour for each one?

Yet people can understand they'll have to pay a lot more these days and that value is so unlikely to go down, it's not worth thinking about.

I agree

People don't realise that in order of consumption / running costs- it goes

KETTLES - But these only run for a few minutes a day

HEATING & TUMBLE DRIER
OVENs

WASHING MACHINES

TV's AND FRIDGES etc

And way down at the bottom....

.........

LED Lights

and below that

USB chargers

MAYBE Education is the answer ?
Ignore the worry worts who tell you not to leave things on standby 

https://www.gocompare.com/gas-and-electricity/guide/energy-per-kwh/ is wrong - it says that a fridge freezer uses 330watts - which is untrue (ours runs at around 100 watts and intermitently) (duty cycle)TV's as well - incorrectly rated as 150 watts - ours uses 1/3 of this

Seems people need to think more about the combination of for how long and how fast their meter is adding units.
Kettle use is a good place to start. It's using about 2kW of power for every second it is heating the water inside.
Therefore logic dictates only fill it with the exact amount of water you need to boil up.
90% of my kettle use is for making drinks for 2 of us but occasionally 3 or 4 cups if we have visitors, so I have marked the vertical window with dots for 2, 3 and 4 cups worth of water and fill it accordingly.

Every Little Helps - to keep total usage as low as possible - with the minimum amount of power and money wasted.

MouldyOldDough

Broadwood said:

MouldyOldDough said:

anotheruser said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Mstty said:

Most people don't understand units charges so they have broadly put it in terms for pence and pounds as an average for the average user.

Sorry - but why don't people understand unit charges ? I would have thought that that is a simple way of calculating energy use .

x uses y energy per hour - simple.

Because most people don't know how many units it would take to power a lightbulb for an hour.
Or power their TV, washing machine, fridge...  and what typeof lightbulb?  An LED one?  An old one?  Energy saving?  And the 4W bulb in that lamp is different to the 6W one in the ceiling lights - I probably have about 7 different types around my house - are you saying I should know the cost in units per hour for each one?

Yet people can understand they'll have to pay a lot more these days and that value is so unlikely to go down, it's not worth thinking about.

I agree

People don't realise that in order of consumption / running costs- it goes

KETTLES - But these only run for a few minutes a day

HEATING & TUMBLE DRIER
OVENs

WASHING MACHINES

TV's AND FRIDGES etc

And way down at the bottom....

.........

LED Lights

and below that

USB chargers

MAYBE Education is the answer ?
Ignore the worry worts who tell you not to leave things on standby 

https://www.gocompare.com/gas-and-electricity/guide/energy-per-kwh/ is wrong - it says that a fridge freezer uses 330watts - which is untrue (ours runs at around 100 watts and intermitently) (duty cycle)TV's as well - incorrectly rated as 150 watts - ours uses 1/3 of this

Seems people need to think more about the combination of for how long and how fast their meter is adding units.
Kettle use is a good place to start. It's using about 2kW of power for every second it is heating the water inside.
Therefore logic dictates only fill it with the exact amount of water you need to boil up.
90% of my kettle use is for making drinks for 2 of us but occasionally 3 or 4 cups if we have visitors, so I have marked the vertical window with dots for 2, 3 and 4 cups worth of water and fill it accordingly.

Every Little Helps - to keep total usage as low as possible - with the minimum amount of power and money wasted.

Almost right
A kettle does not use 2kW per second 

Ectophile

MouldyOldDough said:

Broadwood said:

MouldyOldDough said:

anotheruser said:

MouldyOldDough said:

Mstty said:

Most people don't understand units charges so they have broadly put it in terms for pence and pounds as an average for the average user.

Sorry - but why don't people understand unit charges ? I would have thought that that is a simple way of calculating energy use .

x uses y energy per hour - simple.

Because most people don't know how many units it would take to power a lightbulb for an hour.
Or power their TV, washing machine, fridge...  and what typeof lightbulb?  An LED one?  An old one?  Energy saving?  And the 4W bulb in that lamp is different to the 6W one in the ceiling lights - I probably have about 7 different types around my house - are you saying I should know the cost in units per hour for each one?

Yet people can understand they'll have to pay a lot more these days and that value is so unlikely to go down, it's not worth thinking about.

I agree

People don't realise that in order of consumption / running costs- it goes

KETTLES - But these only run for a few minutes a day

HEATING & TUMBLE DRIER
OVENs

WASHING MACHINES

TV's AND FRIDGES etc

And way down at the bottom....

.........

LED Lights

and below that

USB chargers

MAYBE Education is the answer ?
Ignore the worry worts who tell you not to leave things on standby 

https://www.gocompare.com/gas-and-electricity/guide/energy-per-kwh/ is wrong - it says that a fridge freezer uses 330watts - which is untrue (ours runs at around 100 watts and intermitently) (duty cycle)TV's as well - incorrectly rated as 150 watts - ours uses 1/3 of this

Seems people need to think more about the combination of for how long and how fast their meter is adding units.
Kettle use is a good place to start. It's using about 2kW of power for every second it is heating the water inside.
Therefore logic dictates only fill it with the exact amount of water you need to boil up.
90% of my kettle use is for making drinks for 2 of us but occasionally 3 or 4 cups if we have visitors, so I have marked the vertical window with dots for 2, 3 and 4 cups worth of water and fill it accordingly.

Every Little Helps - to keep total usage as low as possible - with the minimum amount of power and money wasted.

Almost right
A kettle does not use 2kW per second 

Broadwood never said it took 2kW per second.