Private parking ticket issued on land not owned by the property!

Trainerman

Although , Highways act 1980 31(1) says it is a public highway after 20 years use.

Either way, @WesAslan , who does the Land Registry say that it belongs to ?

WesAslan

KeithP said:

WesAslan said:

Half_way said:

WesAslan said:

Trainerman said:

Others will come in with other ideas, but just clarify for me :- who does own where you park, and have you literally parked in the same spot for 25 years without anyone saying anything about it? 

It's part of the main road, so the council. It is common ground. Yes indeed we've parked here for 20 plus years with no issues, only the last few years c.court have partnered with a private parking firm and the residents just slap tickets on there willy nilly. I'm sure many people have paid these, it's literally a pyramid scheme. 

Is the road adopted, or private?

Hi, I'm not sure what the difference is. The road is not private, it's not owned by any other properties around. Only the house number 825 has right of way. The registry states as follows: The land has the benefit of but is subject to the rights granted by a

Deed dated 12 April 1984 made between (1) House 825 and

(2) National Counties Building Society, (3) Abbey National

Building Society, (4) The Mayor and Burgesses of the London Borough of XXX. Does right of way mean no parking? 

From what you have written there it looks like that roadway 'C Court' is private land over which the resident of house number 825 has a Right of Way.

If C Court was a public highway, there would be no need for any Right of Way for no. 825. 

But It's not on their land registry, only the left half is. Why is the borough involved in this deed, do you know? Cheers. 

WesAslan

WesAslan said:

KeithP said:

WesAslan said:

Half_way said:

WesAslan said:

Trainerman said:

Others will come in with other ideas, but just clarify for me :- who does own where you park, and have you literally parked in the same spot for 25 years without anyone saying anything about it? 

It's part of the main road, so the council. It is common ground. Yes indeed we've parked here for 20 plus years with no issues, only the last few years c.court have partnered with a private parking firm and the residents just slap tickets on there willy nilly. I'm sure many people have paid these, it's literally a pyramid scheme. 

Is the road adopted, or private?

Hi, I'm not sure what the difference is. The road is not private, it's not owned by any other properties around. Only the house number 825 has right of way. The registry states as follows: The land has the benefit of but is subject to the rights granted by a

Deed dated 12 April 1984 made between (1) House 825 and

(2) National Counties Building Society, (3) Abbey National

Building Society, (4) The Mayor and Burgesses of the London Borough of XXX. Does right of way mean no parking? 

From what you have written there it looks like that roadway 'C Court' is private land over which the resident of house number 825 has a Right of Way.

If C Court was a public highway, there would be no need for any Right of Way for no. 825. 

But It's not on their land registry, only the left half is. Why is the borough involved in this deed, do you know? Cheers. 

Ps. All the properties next to 825 are involved in the deed also. 

WesAslan

Trainerman said:

Although , Highways act 1980 31(1) says it is a public highway after 20 years use.

Either way, @WesAslan , who does the Land Registry say that it belongs to ?

Hey, sorry missed this. That part of the land where I park doesn't come on any of the properties nearby, I bought everyone's land registry and it's literally empty, so I believe it's a part of the main road which also doesn't come up on no ones registry. 

It's impossible for me to prove my family has parked there all this time. Thank you. 

Fruitcake

It really would be useful for you to tell us the name of the PPC.
Note, that they are not regulated, and they do not offer an independent adjudicator.

If you have proof that PCNs have been issued outside the area they are contracted to operate, you should complain to the operator. When that is rejected or ignored, you should complain to the IPC. Expect to be ignored or whitewashed again.
If the keeper has received NTKs, then the complaint should include the fact that the keeper's data has been unlawfully obtained and processed.
The keeper should also complain to the DVLA that the keeper's detail has been unlawfully sold to the operator.
In each case, include the proof that the operator has issued charges outside the area where they are contracted to operate.

This sounds to me like a self ticketing operation, and one of your neighbours is putting tickets on cars out of spite or annoyance. 

WesAslan

Fruitcake said:

It really would be useful for you to tell us the name of the PPC.
Note, that they are not regulated, and they do not offer an independent adjudicator.

If you have proof that PCNs have been issued outside the area they are contracted to operate, you should complain to the operator. When that is rejected or ignored, you should complain to the IPC. Expect to be ignored or whitewashed again.
If the keeper has received NTKs, then the complaint should include the fact that the keeper's data has been unlawfully obtained and processed.
The keeper should also complain to the DVLA that the keeper's detail has been unlawfully sold to the operator.
In each case, include the proof that the operator has issued charges outside the area where they are contracted to operate.

This sounds to me like a self ticketing operation, and one of your neighbours is putting tickets on cars out of spite or annoyance. 

Hello Fruitcake, thanks so much for your correspondence. The company is park direct uk ltd.

The proof is the land registry I attached above, the parking charge was issued for parking within boundaries of c.court, however it is evident from the registry that the land is not owned by c.court and outside the boundaries of the red line - so c.court does not own that land. 

I was told by park direct that the land is within their operation zone, however, they were also not certain because the property managers (uk registered company) only gave them a google maps satellite image, they called to confirm but the managing company failed to pick up. 

I am the keeper of the vehicle, I only have the registry above and registry of properties 811-825 on main road). None of the properties own that piece of land. I will indeed complain to the DVLA as you mentioned, if the land is not theirs... then they shouldn't have the right to obtain my details. 

Indeed the ticket was issued by one of the neighbours. 

KeithP

I'll ask just once more then leave you to it.

Where exactly is this place?

Coupon-mad

I was told by park direct that the land is within their operation zone, however, they were also not certain because the property managers (uk registered company) only gave them a google maps satellite image, they called to confirm but the managing company failed to pick up.

Wow,  that just sums up the typical half-arsed scam operation that some PPCs think gives them carte blanche to wallop up some cardboard signs and ruin residents' lives.

WesAslan

KeithP said:

I'll ask just once more then leave you to it.

Where exactly is this place?

Keith is this really important, haven't I shared all the necessary detail? I'm sorry if that's routine procedure, I'm new here. 

WesAslan

Coupon-mad said:

I was told by park direct that the land is within their operation zone, however, they were also not certain because the property managers (uk registered company) only gave them a google maps satellite image, they called to confirm but the managing company failed to pick up.

Wow,  that just sums up the typical half-arsed scam operation that some PPCs think gives them carte blanche to wallop up some cardboard signs and ruin residents' lives.

Exactly dude! I asked the lady on the phone to kindly share the documents they have regarding their area of patrol issued by the property managers and she said this is sensitive information and was unable to share it, she later went on to say it was a basic image from google maps, I'm assuming with a hand drawn boundary. 

The manager of the PPC was supposed to call me back today after numerous phone calls by me, they failed to do so, and on my last phone call they said the management company for the property is not picking up, so they will now email me once they have further details... I doubt they will though, they seemed really careless. 

It's literally an official document from Her Majesty's Government vs a google maps image from the property manager... yet they still have the face to say they need to confirm things!